Quick Hands-On with Windows 10X for Single Screens

Let there be no doubt now: The initial release of Windows 10X is nothing less than a Chrome OS clone that runs web and Microsoft Store apps. And that makes sense: As I wrote earlier today in Windows 10X for Single Screens Leaks, that was the original plan all along.

Thanks to this week’s leak, Brad and I were both able to get this early version of Windows 10X up and running in Hyper-V. (Currently, this is the only way to use the system, but I’d love to see it perform on real hardware.) It’s still early, and the virtual version of Windows 10X is very slow. But here are a few quick first impressions.

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Setup. Setup is clearly derived from the Windows Setup used by mainstream Windows 10 versions, with the same basic steps, but using a cleaner and simpler user interface. As one should expect, you need to sign-in with a Microsoft account to use this system.

Desktop. Like Setup, the Windows 10X desktop is simpler. The taskbar displays icons centered by default, as God intended, but you can’t really “use” the desktop for storing files as you can with mainstream Windows 10 versions.

Start. The new Start experience almost fills the screen and looks just like the similar interface in Chrome OS. It has My apps and websites and Recent views, and is somewhat similar to the Office app too, when you think about it.

Apps. All apps run full-screen in Windows 10X, even apps that look goofy that way, like Calculator.

Files. This is the super-simplified version of File Explorer. It only works with OneDrive-hosted documents and files, and a small handful of local folders, like Downloads, Documents, and Pictures.

Microsoft Edge. It’s reasonable to assume that most Windows 10X users will be spending a lot of time in Edge, and from what I can tell upfront, it’s a full-featured browser. It supports normal Edge extensions, for example, and you can install PWAs.

Microsoft Store. The Store app looks and works normally. Oddly, I can see my purchased desktop apps, like Affinity Photo, in the Store. And Edge lets me download desktop apps like Chrome. But in both cases, when I try to install them, nothing happens. If true, this confirms the rumors that the Win32 container is not included in this initial release.

Task switching. Windows 10X supports both Alt + Tab and, via a default taskbar button, Task View (but not Timeline).

Action Center. Ever use Chrome OS? Then this UI will look awfully familiar too.

I’ll have more soon but I wanted to get this out as quick as possible for obvious reasons.

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  • L Gilles

    14 January, 2021 - 10:42 am

    <p>I’d love that for my Intel NUC (Pentium J5005 ?) but why call Windows ? Microsoft OS or Edge OS ? It’ll confuse every one.</p>

    • skyczy08

      14 January, 2021 - 12:09 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607434">In reply to L Gilles:</a></em></blockquote><p>You raise a great point. They call it windows to get people like you and I interested early on. Then, at the last minute "Surprise!" we are changing the branding! Microsoft OS is probably where they will land!</p>

      • hellcatm

        14 January, 2021 - 5:06 pm

        <blockquote><a href="#607463"><em>In reply to skyczy08:</em></a><em> Maybe they should just call it Porthole after a ships little hull Window?</em></blockquote>

      • Greg Green

        15 January, 2021 - 12:53 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607463">In reply to skyczy08:</a></em></blockquote><p>Microsoft OS 10 X Series X for Windows Store Applications.</p><p><br></p><p>the name is so big you’ll need two screens to read it.</p>

    • curtisspendlove

      14 January, 2021 - 1:41 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607434">In reply to L Gilles:</a></em></blockquote><p>OS365</p><p><br></p><p>;)</p>

    • winner

      15 January, 2021 - 2:19 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607434">In reply to L Gilles:</a></em></blockquote><p>Microsoft fixates on a few "brand" names and then calls EVERYTHING with that name. "WIndows" name has been used for phone OS, ARM OS, x86 OS, online services, etc. Just like "Outlook", which is a fat bloated standalone application, also a mail/scheduling website, etc.</p>

  • navarac

    14 January, 2021 - 10:47 am

    <p>With Microsoft's track record with Windows RT, Windows 10S, Windows 10 S Mode and all of the other failures (without going into Phones), I think I'll give this a miss for upto 5 years after introduction. </p><p>I think Chrome is far too embedded and that once again Microsoft "has missed the boat".</p>

    • eric_rasmussen

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 12:43 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607436">In reply to navarac:</a></em></blockquote><p>ChromeOS also lets you use tiled Windows and on modern Chromebooks you can install and use Android apps and games.</p><p><br></p><p>My parents had a PC work Windows 10S but they couldn't get their printer to work with it. The printer driver couldn't install because S was blocking it. My dad told me that the printer box said that it was compatible with Windows so he was confused.</p><p><br></p><p>If they use the Windows name on an OS that, once again, cannot do Windows things then they will have a bad time. ChromeOS can do more than Windows 10X can do, which should not be the case for a late-comer that's trying to gain a share of that market.</p>

      • navarac

        14 January, 2021 - 2:12 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607468">In reply to Eric_Rasmussen:</a></em></blockquote><p>Good points. Chrome OS also has a printing issue.</p>

    • Sprtfan

      14 January, 2021 - 2:19 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607436">In reply to navarac:</a></em></blockquote><p>Chrome is embedded in education but I think there is an opportunity for Microsoft with Windows 10x with businesses. They might be able to hold onto what education market they still have if this works out also. </p>

      • navarac

        15 January, 2021 - 1:03 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607526">In reply to Sprtfan:</a></em></blockquote><p>Perhaps, but I still think they are years too late. Maybe if this was happening instead of Windows RT?</p>

  • bart

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 10:52 am

    <p>I really like the look of the OS. Simplicity is key here.</p><p><br></p><p>Let's hope MS won't mess up this system with all kinds of Windows 10 legacy features.</p>

    • mattbg

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 5:54 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607438">In reply to Bart:</a></em></blockquote><p>I like the notion of simplicity, but whenever I get what I want I realize there's a whole lot that I either can't do anymore or is more difficult to do.</p>

    • Daishi

      Premium Member
      15 January, 2021 - 3:47 pm

      <p><em>Let's hope MS won't mess up this system with all kinds of Windows 10 legacy features </em></p><p><br></p><p>Like being able to run programs…</p>

  • chrisltd

    14 January, 2021 - 11:04 am

    <p>The question is, without an easy way to run existing Windows apps, what does this offer that ChromeOS does not?</p><p><br></p><p>At this point ChromeOS runs Chrome/Web stuff, Android apps, Linux apps, and Windows apps through Parallels.</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 11:51 am

      It offers no Google tracking, longer support, and Microsoft Store app compatibility. In the future, it will offer Windows desktop app compatibility.

      • luthair

        14 January, 2021 - 12:48 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607451">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p><br></p><p>Exchanging Google tracking for Microsoft tracking seems like a lateral move.</p>

        • jedwards87

          14 January, 2021 - 1:56 pm

          <blockquote><em><a href="#607479">In reply to luthair:</a></em></blockquote><p>If I had to pick one I would rather MS track me than Google. Just my opinion.</p>

        • Paul Thurrott

          Premium Member
          15 January, 2021 - 10:26 am

          It’s not. It’s a huge improvement.

      • hrlngrv

        Premium Member
        14 January, 2021 - 6:43 pm

        <p><a href="https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/246170/quick-hands-on-with-windows-10x-for-single-screens#607451&quot; target="_blank"><em>In reply to paul-thurrott:</em></a></p><blockquote>Microsoft Store app compatibility</blockquote><p>Gosh, that sine qua non which made Windows RT and Windows Phone such run away successes!</p><p>You wrote that with a straight face, did you?</p>

      • sevenacids

        14 January, 2021 - 10:26 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607451">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p>So we get Microsoft instead of Google tracking 😛 Store app compatiblity is not a big deal because most of the non-Win32 stuff that's in there is not really worth it.</p><p><br></p><p>I doubt the success of this system if it doesn't come with Win32 application support right from the start. Without it, it will be no different from Windows RT or Windows 10 S, and it will be hard to reverse the perception of Windows 10X from "the Windows that cannot run (Win32) Windows applications". If it could Android apps… well, this would be a different story and make it a true competitor to Chrome OS. Because Windows just doesn't have the apps.</p>

        • Paul Thurrott

          Premium Member
          15 January, 2021 - 10:09 am

          We can joke about it, but this is real. And for many commercial entities—not just businesses, but governments and educational institutions—that both rely on and trust Microsoft, a Windows Chromebook is a viable option. I mean, we’ll see how it does in the real world, and I will point out that this is several years too late. But still.

          Also, there are key differences between this and Windows 10 S. The simpler UI, of course. But also the promise that a future version/update WILL run Windows apps. I practically begged Microsoft (and, privately, Terry Myerson) to let Windows 10 S users (or administrators) open individual Win32 app “holes” in 10 S so that users could have the benefits of the system but still run that one crucial app they needed. But that never happened.

    • MikeCerm

      14 January, 2021 - 12:12 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607444">In reply to chrisltd:</a></em></blockquote><p>Remote Desktop on Chrome OS is totally broken by the lack of a Windows key and a proper delete key on the keyboard, and this makes Chrome OS completely unusable for me. If I can connect to a real computer using RDP, then having the ability to install apps to my laptop doesn't matter nearly as much.</p>

  • stevek

    14 January, 2021 - 11:06 am

    <p>I don't get the fascination with not having tiled windows. Everybody knows how they work now; and it's a huge huge loss not having them. Having a more simple system for management of the device is great; why do we have to stab ourselves in the foot for productivity on device usage at the same time then?</p>

    • eric_rasmussen

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 12:49 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607445">In reply to stevek:</a></em></blockquote><p>It's telling that in every Windows 8 promotional video the OS was shown on a 10" tablet. The same people who only work on small-screen devices must be running the UI show for the 10X devices. They said their telemetry data showed that almost nobody ever used more than 2 applications, so they allowed 2 side-by-side windows but that was it.</p><p><br></p><p>I don't know anyone who is asking for the calculator to take up a full 32" of monitor. I think 10X was designed and is intended for small screens only.</p>

      • anoldamigauser

        Premium Member
        14 January, 2021 - 10:12 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607480">In reply to Eric_Rasmussen:</a></em></blockquote><p>The Neo was going to have two 9 inch screens. It could be related to that.</p>

    • anoldamigauser

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 10:11 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607445">In reply to stevek:</a></em></blockquote><p>It does support snapped Windows. The video on Windows Central shows that.</p>

  • mcerdas

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 11:09 am

    <p>I think this system would be great for tablets. I would love a cheaper Surface running this. </p>

  • Chris_Kez

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 11:35 am

    <p>Any idea if there will be a Windows 10X version of Powerwash, or how quickly support people can refresh a 10X device for a new user?</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 11:54 am

      If you go to Settings > Reset & recovery, there is a single Reset this device option, which launches a very simple, Powerwash-like experience. I haven’t tested it yet because it wipes everything out. But it’s not Reset This PC.

      • IanYates82

        Premium Member
        18 January, 2021 - 1:55 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607456">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p>Given you're running this in Hyper-V, couldn't you just right-click the VM in Hyper-V and take a snapshot, do your reset to see how bad things get, and then rollback to the snapshot point? </p><p><br></p><p>Testing things in VMs using this functionality is wonderful :)</p>

  • thomalexday

    14 January, 2021 - 11:53 am

    <p>Well this looks terrible…</p>

  • benisaacs

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 12:14 pm

    <p>I wonder what the recovery options are like – can they all connect to the internet to download the latest version if the install is corrupted (like macOS internet recovery) or is there USB recovery like the Xbox consoles have? So many questions left unanswered!</p>

  • crp0908

    14 January, 2021 - 12:54 pm

    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">To summarize, Microsoft removed a bunch of functionality from regular Windows, made the taskbar start button look like a MAC, and made the interface behave like Chrome OS. If I wanted Chrome OS, I would use Chrome OS, not Windows. To me, this feels like it will have success similar to Windows RT and Windows Phone.</span></p><p><br></p><p>If this is 'the future version of Windows,' then goodbye Windows. Long live Linux!</p>

  • rickeveleigh

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 12:58 pm

    <p>'<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">The new Start experience almost fills the screen</span>' — IT'S WINDOWS 8 ALL OVER AGAIN ;-)</p>

    • jfgordon

      15 January, 2021 - 10:38 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607484">In reply to RickEveleigh:</a></em></blockquote><p>Looking forward to a Windows 10.1XX Pro (now, with more xs!) where apps can be resized. Oh, man, I do not believe this. -_-'</p>

  • fishnet37222

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 1:38 pm

    <p>I hope when they release it they give you an option to align the taskbar icons to the left.</p>

  • omen_20

    14 January, 2021 - 1:41 pm

    <p>At this point I'd say 10X is more a web machine than ChromeOS. If you have to choose between the world of Android apps that may not look the best when blown up, or the dearth of UWP apps, it's a pretty obvious choice.</p><p><br></p><p>Not to mention Assistant and smart home access that will come with it.</p>

  • hidp123

    14 January, 2021 - 2:20 pm

    <p>At the moment it looks like chromeOS with a Windows label.</p><p><br></p><p>And all apps full screen, wasn't that an issue with windows 8 if I remember correctly? I guess this OS is more for tablet sized screens at the moment then.</p>

  • bluvg

    14 January, 2021 - 2:32 pm

    <p>"The taskbar displays icons centered by default, as God intended,"</p><p><br></p><p>But this goes against the Fitts' Law benefits of the Start Button in the corner. What does clicking the lower left corner do?</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      15 January, 2021 - 10:22 am

      There’s nothing there, so it does nothing.

    • Username

      15 January, 2021 - 4:30 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607528">In reply to bluvg:</a></em></blockquote><p><br></p><p>Centred is important on wide or ultra-wide monitor.</p><p><br></p><p>Start should stay in corner (because keyboard has dedicated key), but rest of Taskbar should be slotted so user can pin to any location. Non-pinned apps should surround the centre..</p>

  • sfernley

    14 January, 2021 - 4:00 pm

    <p>Regarding trying this on physical hardware, I wonder if you could boot up to WinPE and capture an image using DISM then just deploy that image to a regular pc.</p>

  • compunut

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 4:26 pm

    <p>"The taskbar displays icons centered by default, as God intended".</p><p><br></p><p>I hate the idea of having the icons centered. I am fine if it is an option and it is fine if this platform never amounts to anything but an OS to run a browser, but I hope that never makes it to Windows (unless it is optional). Why? I know that there is less mouse travel most of the time and that would be great, but muscle memory if FAR more important to me. The stuff I have open most of the time should stay in exactly the same spot all of the time. If I am opening and closing random transient applications, that would make the icons move around when they are centered. Yuck!</p>

  • tghallin

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 5:38 pm

    <p>Windows (all versions) has networking and driver capabilities that iOS, Android and Chrome OS do not. Window 10X appears to lose those advantages of Window 10 without being as useful as an iPad, Chromebook or Android tablet. It will need a lot more capability than what you and Brad showed today before it approaches my Samsung Galaxy Tab S6.</p>

    • tghallin

      Premium Member
      14 January, 2021 - 5:56 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607571">In reply to tghallin:</a></em></blockquote><p>I just looked at Brad's settings screen and it looks like maybe 10X will support the networking and devices that regular Windows 10 does. I will be curious to see if network drives and network printers work the same as regular Windows.</p>

      • Paul Thurrott

        Premium Member
        15 January, 2021 - 10:15 am

        I feel like it should be able to do that, but I can’t figure out how. WINKEY + E brings up the new Files app, but there’s no address bar. The Run app (WINKEY + R) isn’t present. And if I try a known-good network location from the search bar in Start, it launches a web search.

  • hrlngrv

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 6:31 pm

    <p>If ALL apps run maximized, then this is NOT a Chrome OS clone. Chrome OS has no problem running apps in windows much smaller than full screen, showing multiple, overlapping windows on screen at the same time.</p><p>If Windows 10X can only display apps maximized, it's Windows RT with iconify and close buttons in the app title bar.</p><p>Finally, I'd like to believe the taskbar could be moved to left or right sides rather than bottom or top. It's always struck me as asinine to waste relatively scarce vertical screen space on excessively wide monitors. Also, given the bottom-most screenshot above, the one showing the system tray icons to the left of the time rather than below the time, asinine to waste at least 8 pixels above and below the icons in the taskbar.</p><p>IOW, I'll stick with Chrome OS, thanks.</p>

  • hrlngrv

    Premium Member
    14 January, 2021 - 6:41 pm

    <p><a href="https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/246170/quick-hands-on-with-windows-10x-for-single-screens#607489&quot; target="_blank"><em>In reply to MutualCore:</em></a></p><blockquote>For certain applications like check-in systems, restaurant kiosk, point-of-sale, . . .</blockquote><p>Only if Windows 10X licenses are no more expensive than Android licenses for SINGLE-PURPOSE devices.</p><p>FWLIW, the Charles Schwab offices near me (which I haven't entered since last February, so who knows what's changed?) have Chromeboxes in the lobby for customers' use. Could Windows 10X machines replace them? Maybe, as long as they're no more expensive to buy and no more expensive to maintain and administer.</p><p>Chrome OS upgrades have been extremely robust in my experience (based on just 2 devices since 2014, so merely anecdotal) precisely because rebooting is a necessary step in upgrades. Why? Because upgrades are distributed as new entire partition images, downloaded in background. The reboot process changes run level, which means OS partitions can be remounted read-write, at which time configuration files can be changed to set the new partitions as the ones mounted. If Windows 10X continues the conceit that Windows can be upgraded robustly without rebooting, Windows 10X is likely to be less robust than Chrome OS.</p>

  • sevenacids

    14 January, 2021 - 10:20 pm

    <blockquote><em><a href="#607489">In reply to MutualCore:</a></em></blockquote><p>You can accomplish all of that using standard Windows 10 today. No need for a new SKU, especially when your existing Kiosk application is based on Win32.</p>

  • hal9000

    Premium Member
    15 January, 2021 - 1:19 am

    <p>I know Paul disagrees, but I think it looks lifeless without live tiles… It would be cool to have a calendar, weather, news and photos live tile for example. But whatever.</p><p>Other than that it looks nice. I guess it will be fine for running web apps, but other than that… no comparison with the iPad or Chrome ecosystem of course.</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      15 January, 2021 - 10:04 am

      Tiles aren’t about looks, they’re about functionality. And they make sense on smartphones, where you pick them up, glance at them, and put them back down. Microsoft has been trying since Active Desktop in 1996 (or whatever) to make such an interface make sense on PCs, but never has. It doesn’t even make sense on tablets. So this isn’t me disagreeing with you, it’s me observing this failure and just making the point that live tiles will never make sense on a PC or PC-like device. Not because of my preferences, but because they just don’t work.

      • hal9000

        Premium Member
        15 January, 2021 - 2:12 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#607683">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p>Perhaps on a PC it does not make sense. In fact, I never look at the tiles on my Windows 10 PC and don't know anyone who does.</p><p>I was thinking of Windows X running on a tablet though, and when I use my iPad I like that I have the weather forecast, my next appointments and todos at a glance on the home screen for example, without needing to constantly open the apps. I find that useful and it makes sense to me.</p><p>But ok I get it, this thing is aimed at Chromebooks. It is definetly easier to compete against those, and I suppose they even might have a chance at succeeding this time. </p>

  • codymesh

    15 January, 2021 - 1:47 am

    <p>Honestly if this supported Win32 apps from the store it would be pretty great.</p>

  • andrey_medvedev

    15 January, 2021 - 3:44 am

    <p>Oh, God. Are we back to the days of the Windows 8 27-inch Calculator?</p>

  • StevenLayton

    15 January, 2021 - 4:42 am

    <p>I work in IT education in the UK. Budgets are not great and we need a way to give IT access to the most students in the cheapest way possible. To date that has been through the use of shared banks of sub £250 11" Chromebooks. We're a Microsoft 365 school and we can use M365 and Teams on them without issue and have been successful with it. Chrome management was basic, but is improving all the time, although in truth beyond basic securing of the device, very little management has been needed. For Windows 10X to be successful in similar schools to the one I work in, we need devices at the same price point that perform just as well on very low end devices.</p>

  • melinau

    Premium Member
    15 January, 2021 - 8:44 am

    <p>This looks interesting. As a long-term Windows fan, I sincerely hope they manage to release a decent product, at least as good as ChromeOS on Chromebooks (which I quite like). The option of using a lightweight OSsystem whose main aim isn't slurping-up my personal data is very attractive.</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      15 January, 2021 - 9:59 am

      The hardware matters too. If this only ships on cheap education market crap, then …whatever.

  • rmlounsbury

    Premium Member
    15 January, 2021 - 12:50 pm

    <p>I've been rather interested in the Windows 10X more ChromeOS-like concept for awhile. Especially since the company I work for has already moved to M365 for Office and we are going to migrating to a cloud based ERP platform in late 2021/early 2022 this could be perfect timing. </p><p><br></p><p>We have been looking at making our warehouse more mobile based vs. static stations. If Windows 10X ships in the first half of this year and proves it is up to handling our use cases we could very well look at deploying 10X devices in the warehouse vs. ChromeOS or Android devices. </p><p><br></p><p>I very much look forward to see how this evolves and what first gen devices end up getting released later this year. </p>

  • behindmyscreen

    15 January, 2021 - 2:51 pm

    <p>Seriously….this might be a great way forward when they get Win32 container up and running. Perfect machine for my parents.</p><p><br></p><p>Need a NUC style device for it too though.</p>

  • johncon50

    15 January, 2021 - 3:00 pm

    <p>Talk about shooting the horse before it gets out of the gate.. Can we please cease with sensationalism. NO WHERE did Microsoft say, or will say, this is our Chrome OS Killer. Nothing has to die. Honest. </p><p>What happens if Microsoft does not 'kill' Chrome OS, pundits will say it lost, it's a failure. </p><p>Really. No. </p><p>Yes, Microsoft would love to be the #1 provider of this cloud / education / inexpensive market. But even if 10x or whatever name comes out it provides some choice and gets better over time than this beta, it's a win. Giving institutions a viable option to Chrome OS, or Ipads, can still be considered a win if they don't have majority of market share, as long as they don't loose any more market share. This Sith-like comparison of options is not helping anyone other than driving more click bait. </p>

  • igor engelen

    15 January, 2021 - 3:14 pm

    <p>"You can't 'use' the desktop for storing files " </p><p>Yes! Nice backgrounds shouldn't be covered with gazillions of files ?.</p>

    • Daishi

      Premium Member
      15 January, 2021 - 3:39 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#607781">In reply to Igor Engelen:</a></em></blockquote><p>So what is the point of having the desktop if you can’t put anything there? I mean if in order to get to your files or programs you are going to have to open the Start Screen anyway why not just make that the default screen?</p>

      • igor engelen

        16 January, 2021 - 5:27 am

        <blockquote><a href="#607803"><em>In reply to Daishi:</em></a><em>It's probably just me but I don't keep files /papers on my desk but put them in the drawers. Or in the kitchen, your things or not just sitting there spread out over all surfaces but in drawers /cupboards.</em></blockquote><p><br></p>

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