Apple Announces AirPods Max

Apple today announced the long-rumored AirPods Max, which despite the name are not earbuds but over-the-ear headphones. They’re also ridiculously expensive.

“With AirPods Max, we are bringing that magical AirPods experience to a stunning over-ear design with high-fidelity audio,” Apple senior vice president Greg Joswiak said in a canned statement. “The custom acoustic design, combined with powerful H1 chips, and advanced software enable AirPods Max to use computational audio to wirelessly deliver the ultimate personal listening experience.”

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Available in space gray, silver, sky blue, green, and pink at a cost of $549—yep, you read that right, $549—the AirPods Max are available for preorder today and will ship next Tuesday, December 15.

So what do you get for this mortgage payment? According to Apple, the new headphones feature “a custom acoustic design, H1 chips, and advanced software to power computational audio for a breakthrough listening experience with Adaptive EQ, Active Noise Cancellation, Transparency mode, and spatial audio.” There’s a so-called digital crown—others might just call it a volume nob—for “precise volume control and the ability to play or pause audio, skip tracks, answer or end phone calls, and activate Siri.” And a lame-looking wrap-around case of sorts that only covers the headphones. Battery life is rated at 20 hours.

You can learn more at the Apple website.

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  • bart

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 8:46 am

    <p>More expensive than a Xbox Series X. I mean….?</p>

    • andyhi

      08 December, 2020 - 4:47 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598506">In reply to Bart:</a></em></blockquote><p><br></p><blockquote>I hear ya. </blockquote><blockquote>To compare against Apples own products, imagine an iPhone 12 mini in one hand and these head phones in the other… think about the materials used, mans hours spent on refinement, overall capabilities, etc… then explain how these justify only a ~21% discount off the price of a 12 mini. No rational person could.</blockquote><p><br></p>

  • wright_is

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 8:48 am

    <p>At that price, I hope they have better sound than Beyer Dynamic's reference headphones…</p>

    • Vladimir Carli

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 3:02 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598508">In reply to wright_is:</a></em></blockquote><p><br></p><p>on bluetooth? I find that to be extremely unlikely</p>

      • jgraebner

        Premium Member
        08 December, 2020 - 5:06 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#598634">In reply to Vladimir:</a></em></blockquote><p>I guess they do work wired, but over Lightning instead of a standard 3.5mm connection. I believe that means digital rather than analog, so probably still not acceptable to serious audiophiles. Also, in typical Apple fashion, the cable costs extra…</p>

  • Daekar

    08 December, 2020 - 8:49 am

    <p>I can't wait to see the local college students wandering around with these. The airpods are already funny enough, this will be hilarious. </p>

    • behindmyscreen

      08 December, 2020 - 9:23 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598510">In reply to Daekar:</a></em></blockquote><p>why are the airpods funny to see kids wearing?</p>

      • sammyg

        08 December, 2020 - 9:41 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#598532">In reply to behindmyscreen:</a></em></blockquote><p>Exactly why? Because they work so well?</p>

        • spiderman2

          08 December, 2020 - 10:51 am

          <blockquote><a href="#598537" class="md-opjjpmhoiojifppkkcdabiobhakljdgm_doc"><em>In reply to sammyg:</em></a></blockquote><p>they look like an electric toothbrush head stuck in your head, and they work like many other "true wireless" headphones, also they have lower audio quality than others</p>

          • behindmyscreen

            08 December, 2020 - 12:22 pm

            <blockquote><em><a href="#598566">In reply to spiderman2:</a></em></blockquote><p>They work better from an integration perspective and the audio is fine.</p>

  • jm2016

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 8:51 am

    <p>I don't get this at all… Is this really a thing? Honestly, I never got the whole Beats thing either, but I see them everywhere. A quick look at the Beats web site shows that these are ~$200 more than the most expensive Beats pair. Do people (other than studio pros) pay that for headphones?</p>

    • helix2301

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 10:01 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598519">In reply to jm2016:</a></em></blockquote><p>They don't fold like beats either so they take up a lot of space</p>

    • wright_is

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 10:06 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598519">In reply to jm2016:</a></em></blockquote><p>Audio, I buy from companies renowned for good audio quality, or I buy cheap. Expensive from a non-audio company doesn't compute.</p><p>I'll wait until they are reviewed – c't in Germany usually compares them to Beyer Dynamics studio reference cans to show where they are good and bad.</p>

  • jchampeau

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 8:53 am

    <p>Well isn't that spatial.</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      09 December, 2020 - 9:57 am

      \stands up and applauds

  • jrzoomer

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 8:54 am

    <p>Still using Lightning port for charging instead of USB-C? Come on Apple</p>

    • SvenJ

      08 December, 2020 - 11:44 am

      <blockquote><a href="#598521"><em>In reply to jrzoomer:</em></a><em> </em>We all have plenty of lightning cables. 😉 Does come with USB-C to lighting, so half there.</blockquote><p><br></p>

  • Travis

    08 December, 2020 - 8:57 am

    <p>I really despise Apple. They have no shame in asking for a kings ransom for their products.</p>

    • behindmyscreen

      08 December, 2020 - 9:22 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598523">In reply to Travis:</a></em></blockquote><p>Do you despise BMW for their extra cost over comparable cars?</p>

      • Paul Thurrott

        Premium Member
        09 December, 2020 - 9:56 am

        Apple convincing you that they’re the BMW of headphones is in many ways its biggest achievement.

        • mikegalos

          09 December, 2020 - 10:58 am

          <blockquote><em><a href="#598826">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p>BMW convincing people that they're the BMW of automobiles was a pretty impressive achievement as well…</p>

          • Paul Thurrott

            Premium Member
            10 December, 2020 - 8:31 am

            BMW earned that. And it took a long time.

    • sammyg

      08 December, 2020 - 9:24 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598523">In reply to Travis:</a></em></blockquote><p>Here is a thought, don’t buy their products. Your angst should feel better. </p>

    • curtisspendlove

      08 December, 2020 - 11:32 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598523">In reply to Travis:</a></em></blockquote><p>Simple solution for happy people: think “hmmm this probably isn’t for me” and move along. </p><p><br></p><p>;)</p><p><br></p><p>That is what I did when I wanted the Surface Studio but wasn’t willing to shell out the price (even though it would be an amazing art tablet for my wife).</p>

  • MarkPow

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 9:11 am

    <p>"…bringing that magical AirPods experience… " Didn't realise "magic" was so expensive… </p>

  • behindmyscreen

    08 December, 2020 - 9:21 am

    <p>Sounds like it's the same league as Bose QC line….just $200 more. I wonder if they will stack up well against the Bose QC35 II</p>

    • Vladimir Carli

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 3:01 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598529">In reply to behindmyscreen:</a></em></blockquote><p><br></p><p>that's not that difficult tbh, Bose is not that good. Half of the price is devoted to the aggressive marketing they do</p>

      • behindmyscreen

        08 December, 2020 - 10:15 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#598633">In reply to Vladimir:</a></em></blockquote><p>If that’s the case then they will justify the extra cost </p>

  • jimchamplin

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 9:22 am

    <p>The new thing overpaid white 20-somethings can wear in public to tune out the world.</p>

    • misterstuart

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 11:12 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598531">In reply to jimchamplin:</a></em></blockquote><p><em>Only "</em>white" 20-somethings? LOL</p>

  • sammyg

    08 December, 2020 - 9:31 am

    <p>I am going to get the green version and use it with my XSX!</p>

    • spiderman2

      08 December, 2020 - 10:50 am

      <blockquote><a href="#598535" class="md-opjjpmhoiojifppkkcdabiobhakljdgm_doc"><em>In reply to sammyg:</em></a></blockquote><p>don't forget to show off the shiny fashion bitten apple logo</p>

  • mclark2112

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 9:36 am

    <p>Oooo, shiny!</p>

  • Brett Barbier

    08 December, 2020 - 9:59 am

    <p>They are way too expensive for me too, but out of curiosity I went to Amazon, and searched for headphones. After sorting by price (high to low), I was shocked at how much some headphones cost. Some cost more than my car is worth. It took quite awhile to get to the page with headphones that "only" cost $550. </p><p><br></p><p>so, are these Apple ones overpriced? I guess it will depend on how well they compare to the other expensive headphones they have to compete with. </p>

  • olavgm

    08 December, 2020 - 10:04 am

    <p>Also, it doesn't include a charger!</p>

  • angusmatheson

    08 December, 2020 - 10:07 am

    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I know it sounds crazy bur my air pods (regular, I think 2nd gerneration) are my favorite product ever. I have had a ton of headphones. And lots of Bluetooth. And it was always a pain. I love that airpods just live in my pocket and when I want o listen to a podcast or YouTube history video I just pop them out and it is all paired and just works. Maybe I just always bought the wrong Bluetooth headphones before. That being said I’m not buying these. </span></p>

    • spiderman2

      08 December, 2020 - 10:50 am

      <blockquote><a href="#598559" class="md-opjjpmhoiojifppkkcdabiobhakljdgm_doc"><em>In reply to Angusmatheson:</em></a></blockquote><p>I don't like "true wireless" earphones, anyway you can buy better and cheaper ones, for example Huawei ones</p>

      • behindmyscreen

        08 December, 2020 - 12:20 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#598564">In reply to spiderman2:</a></em></blockquote><p>Not better from how well they integrate with your apple devices though.</p>

  • north of 49th

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 10:08 am

    <p>Place your bets – how many headphones are going to come out next year in different pastel colors with an open mesh headband?</p><p>I do wonder about the computational audio thing. Is this marketing or is this going to walk the path of computational photography in terms of difference?</p>

    • SvenJ

      08 December, 2020 - 10:52 am

      <blockquote><a href="#598560"><em>In reply to North of 49th:</em></a><em> </em><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I can tell you the spatial audio feature/capability of the AirPods Pro is super interesting. It is a bit hard to explain though. It enables sound to be coming from a fixed position in space, regardless of which way your head is oriented. If something is in front of you, and you turn your head left, the sound will appear to be coming from the right. Swiveling completely around in a chair can have the sound appear behind you. This doesn't happen on anything, the audio/video must be properly encoded as I understand it. It was easiest to observe during one of the latest Apple Events when it was just Tim Cook speaking. It seemed as if he was in front of you and you turned to speak to a friend, he was now coming from the side. It was quite noticeable. I imagine this sort of thing would be great for gaming, having things be spatially accurate and cognizant of your head orientation. Is it worth an arm and a leg? Maybe to some. You can get AirPods Pro for just part of an arm. Sometimes just a hand on sale.</span></blockquote><p><br></p>

  • skramer49

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 10:43 am

    <p>Ridiculous, as usual. I guess this is Pandemic Pricing. And no charger in the box.</p>

    • branneth

      09 December, 2020 - 8:59 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598562">In reply to skramer49:</a></em></blockquote><p>The no charger thing blew my fucking mind. For 6 hunge I’m gonna need that 3.5mm cable, travel plug, and a hard case too. </p>

  • spiderman2

    08 December, 2020 - 10:49 am

    <p>LOL … I go to read again all people comments complaining about Microsoft, Bose, Sony… headphones price</p>

  • lezmaka

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 10:54 am

    <p>$549 lol</p>

  • prebengh

    08 December, 2020 - 11:07 am

    <p>It is always funny to come to this site when Apple has released new products. I just know that the comments will always be negative (not from all, luckily).</p><p>These headphones are expensive (and I will definitely not buy them), but if you look at hifi products they just are expensive.</p><p>And Paul is as always on the front in the negative Apple comments (mortgage payments, digital crown/volume knob), as always without having seen them, or tested them. As he did with the M1 Macs.</p>

    • curtisspendlove

      08 December, 2020 - 11:23 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598570">In reply to Prebengh:</a></em></blockquote><p>Agreed. </p><p><br></p><p>Most of us aren’t in the market for headphones like this. But professional headphones are crazy expensive. </p><p><br></p><p>$500 is the starting price for those sort of headphones. </p><p><br></p><p>But, Apple hate drives a lot of traffic to a site. So you can’t blame them. ;)</p>

      • jgraebner

        Premium Member
        08 December, 2020 - 12:55 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#598574">In reply to curtisspendlove:</a></em></blockquote><p>These are obviously aimed at consumers, not professionals and the price is unquestionably higher than the typical high-end for that market. Maybe Apple really has created something that justifies the pricing, but it is completely reasonable to be skeptical.</p>

        • curtisspendlove

          09 December, 2020 - 12:18 am

          <blockquote><em><a href="#598600">In reply to jgraebner:</a></em></blockquote><p>Hmm. I took a closer look at the site a bit ago and I agree with you. Their product site is pretty clearly aimed at muggles. </p><p><br></p><p>They aren’t for me, but I’m sure they’ll sell a boatload or ten of them. </p>

        • kb923689

          09 December, 2020 - 7:17 am

          <blockquote><em><a href="#598600">In reply to jgraebner:</a></em></blockquote><p>Indeed. We all know this "magical" hardware is not up to pro headphones. The $549 price is mostly for the brand. These are not audiophile headphones.</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      09 December, 2020 - 9:54 am

      Yeah, I find it funny when Apple’s hyperbole meets reality as well. 🙂

  • SvenJ

    08 December, 2020 - 11:31 am

    <p>Colors are nice. Not sure the digital crown is the best idea for what it is designed to do. The Surface headphones have large knobs to do this sort of thing. Wonderful implementation. Easy to find and use. Case will support a robust third party case industry. There was a rumor that you would be able to put these on either way and it would figure out left and right. Saw an L in one earcup, so guess not. </p>

  • Saarek

    08 December, 2020 - 11:36 am

    <p>I love my AirPods Pro, but then they weren't that much more expensive than other decent brands out there and being an Apple user they made a lot of sense.</p><p><br></p><p>But these…… Nah, I'll buy the Bowers &amp; Wilkins PX7's that I've had my eye on. Way overpriced.</p>

    • bluvg

      08 December, 2020 - 12:13 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598577">In reply to Saarek:</a></em></blockquote><p>When something is overpriced compared to B&amp;W, there's a problem!</p>

  • rmlounsbury

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 11:47 am

    <p>They must be magical to get rational people to part with that much money for a wireless headset. Even Bose stays south of $400 for a headset (unless you get into their aviation line). </p><p><br></p><p>Of course, I assume this product is aimed at actual sound professionals and not the masses. Much like the Mac Pro and their studio monitors that precious few people would benefit from spending that much on such a product. </p><p><br></p><p><br></p>

    • jgraebner

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 12:49 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598584">In reply to rmlounsbury:</a></em></blockquote><p>I doubt that is the target market as sound professionals are unlikely to use wireless headphones. All the signal processing that Apple is touting in these would also likely be a no-go for professionals.</p>

    • branneth

      09 December, 2020 - 8:55 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598584">In reply to rmlounsbury:</a></em></blockquote><p>There is no way anyone actually needing to hear the direct reproduction of the sound is buying anything that is “computationally” manipulating it. </p><p><br></p><p>These are aimed squarely at the consumer market. More specifically, the consumer who is blissfully ignorant of the market leaders who have been making high quality audio equipment for decades, and has money to burn. </p>

  • mikegalos

    08 December, 2020 - 11:49 am

    <p>OK, that case is really, really silly.</p><p><br></p><p>Seriously, it's worth going to the Apple site just to see that case.</p>

    • pecosbob04

      08 December, 2020 - 11:56 am

      <blockquote><a href="#598585"><em>In reply to MikeGalos:</em></a><em>Hi Mikey good to see you up and about! Just curious do you ever comment on non Apple threads on this site? If you do, any estimate on the ratio of Apple to non Apple comments?</em></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><p><br></p>

    • VancouverNinja

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 12:54 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598585">In reply to MikeGalos:</a></em></blockquote><p>Agreed. They are really going after their users here. They can't help but try and sell over priced everything.</p>

    • robincapper

      09 December, 2020 - 1:22 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598585">In reply to MikeGalos:</a></em></blockquote><p>Oh my, see what you mean about the case. </p>

  • behindmyscreen

    08 December, 2020 - 12:15 pm

    <p>The amount of hostility to the price is amusing. People….if you don't like the price, don't buy it. No need to be hostile.</p>

    • Pierre Masse

      08 December, 2020 - 1:38 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598592">In reply to behindmyscreen:</a></em></blockquote><p>Don't worry. Nobody in his right mind will buy it. By the way, in Canada it's $779.</p>

    • VancouverNinja

      Premium Member
      08 December, 2020 - 3:01 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598592">In reply to behindmyscreen:</a></em></blockquote><p>It's simply Apple arrogance manifesting in the pricing that seems to be upsetting people. Really it's to be expected.</p><p><br></p>

  • awright18

    08 December, 2020 - 2:07 pm

    <p>Thank you Paul! You gave me something to snicker at while reading today's tech news. I think you should be awarded today's "digital crown" for the quality of this story. </p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      09 December, 2020 - 9:51 am

      🙂

  • Sir_Timbit

    08 December, 2020 - 2:17 pm

    <p>They're going to double-down on that Homepod pricing, I see…</p>

  • eeisner

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 2:47 pm

    <p>Audiophile prices from a company that's never produced audiophile quality. Beats were and still are overpriced for the audio quality and were always justified because of the brand/pop culture status. Will be interesting to see if Apple fans justify spending the money on these, or if they go the way of the Homepod. </p>

  • Vladimir Carli

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 3:01 pm

    <p>I would say outrageously expensive instead than ridiculously. We will see what serious audio reviewers say about these but I expect a similar bass heavy sound as all Beats headphones. I would be surprised if these provided high quality reference audio</p>

  • robinwilson16

    08 December, 2020 - 3:13 pm

    <p>At least these can't fall out of your ears but wonder if they have managed to figure out how to get them working with Microsoft Teams on a Windows PC yet as the other Airpods make you really muffled to everyone else so they can't hear you and your audio is so loud everyone else deafens you and you can't control the volume properly. Hopefully for that price it will work!</p>

    • behindmyscreen

      08 December, 2020 - 10:17 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598635">In reply to robinwilson16:</a></em></blockquote><p>Microsoft isn’t picking up the right Bluetooth audio standard.</p>

  • ekim

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 3:33 pm

    <p>Apple created a product that is "<span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">ridiculously expensive"? That never happens :-)</span></p>

  • buzzmodo

    08 December, 2020 - 4:07 pm

    <p>Twice as good as my Sony 1000MX2s? (now dated, but still outstanding!) </p>

  • andyhi

    08 December, 2020 - 4:11 pm

    <p>Unless these have vastly superior sound quality due to revolutionary computational technology and/or materials used for the drivers (not likely) they belong in the $299 – $349 price range.</p><p><br></p><p>Without a significant advance in sound quality, the H1 chip is merely a differentiator for current Apple customers to purchase over the current top mainstream wireless choices from Sony, Bose, Sennheiser, etc.</p><p><br></p><p>I wont be trading down from my (over priced, under performing, but convenient) Air Pods Pro, rarely used QC 35 II’s, or wired Sennheiser HD650’s any time soon. </p><p><br></p><p>And for audio quality, *EVERY* wired headphone option in the ~$300 range will almost certainly have significantly better sound quality.</p>

  • StevenLayton

    08 December, 2020 - 5:29 pm

    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">So what do you get for this mortgage payment?</span></p><p>Warm ears?</p>

  • truerock2

    08 December, 2020 - 5:31 pm

    <p>OMG</p><p>Spatial audio with dynamic head tracking gives you a theater‑like experience for movies and shows, with sound that surrounds you. Using built-in gyroscopes and accelerometers, AirPods Max and your iPhone or iPad track the subtle motion of your head, anchoring sounds to your device.</p><p><br></p>

  • sabertooth920

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 5:40 pm

    <p>549 bucks…I think not. Guess they didn’t learn from HomePod.</p>

  • Craig Smith

    08 December, 2020 - 6:48 pm

    <p>At the current exchange rate, this will make them an eye-watering $700 to $740 in Australia. People will still buy them. </p>

    • couchfox

      08 December, 2020 - 8:18 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598690">In reply to craig_smith:</a></em></blockquote><p>@craig_smith if only that's how it worked… They are $900 in AU. But I agree, they will sell many truckloads anyway.</p>

    • brettscoast

      Premium Member
      09 December, 2020 - 12:24 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598690">In reply to craig_smith:</a></em></blockquote><p>at least yikes!!!!! there are so many other tech purchases you could make with that money. Mortgage payment about covers it.</p>

  • rickcosby

    08 December, 2020 - 7:09 pm

    <p>I have the new Sony MX-4 and the spatial audio is really nice. It only works on tracks that have been encoded for it. Maybe since Apple is mentioning it they will start offering spatial audio versions of music on Apple Music. Right now it's not very common. There are some tracks on Tidal but it's more of a proof of concept than a finished product. </p>

  • bschnatt

    08 December, 2020 - 10:19 pm

    <p>I got a set of (wired) ear buds with my BlackBerry Key2 LE, and they are the best sounding ear buds I've ever had. See what I did there? I just saved a bunch of money by switching to… nothing. LOL</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>

  • behindmyscreen

    08 December, 2020 - 10:19 pm

    <blockquote><em><a href="#598637">In reply to Daekar:</a></em></blockquote><p>You have a personal preference argument and an argument that’s true of any set of headphones.</p>

  • p1anetj0hn

    Premium Member
    08 December, 2020 - 10:45 pm

    <p>For just a little more $$$ I've got some real nice beach front property in Barstow California you might appreciate.</p>

  • curtisspendlove

    09 December, 2020 - 12:13 am

    <blockquote><em><a href="#598671">In reply to digiguy:</a></em></blockquote><p>For actual paid work, correct. But a lot of pros like to use “professional” level tools for their personal stuff as well. </p><p><br></p><p>And if the muggles want to by up a bunch to look cool…well Apple is perfectly happy with that. </p>

    • bkkcanuck

      09 December, 2020 - 5:25 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#598736">In reply to curtisspendlove:</a></em></blockquote><p>Yep, my ears are just not refined enough to spend $500+ on headphones… I will stick with my Sennheiser HD 280 Pro headphones (wired) – very good headphones (neutral not bass boosted) for a mere $129 suggested retail price (lower on Amazon, but I had mine shipped from Germany to SE Asia – so a bit more for me). </p>

  • brettscoast

    Premium Member
    09 December, 2020 - 12:25 am

    <p>The most expensive air pods ever.</p>

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