Apple Services is now a giant

Record Service revenue for Apple in third quarter! Apple Services segment is now bigger than Amazon Web Services and Netflix combined!

Conversation 15 comments

  • Jules Wombat

    02 August, 2017 - 8:24 am

    <p>Apple Services which actually run on Microsoft Azure (or perhaps Amazon AWS) Cloud Services infrastructure </p>

  • John Scott

    02 August, 2017 - 10:10 am

    <p>The one thing Apple is losing on is Apple Music. With Spotify claiming 60 million paid subscribers vs around 20 million or so for Apple. I think its clear Apple is losing ground quickly in music streaming which like it or not is the future of music. People today seem OK with not owning anything in terms of content and yet Apple kept pushing the own it format way too long. </p><p>I used to be all in on Apple services but today I don't even use their email, I occasionally buy music from iTunes but would not even consider Apple Music as a option today. Yes, Apple still makes loads of money, but their foot print is shrinking in many ways. </p>

    • pecosbob04

      02 August, 2017 - 10:35 am

      <blockquote><a href="#163392"><em>In reply to John_Scott:</em></a><em>"</em>Yes, Apple still makes loads of money, but their foot print is shrinking in many ways." Doomedâ„¢, Doomedâ„¢, I tell you!</blockquote><p><br></p>

    • lvthunder

      Premium Member
      02 August, 2017 - 11:47 am

      <blockquote><a href="#163392"><em>In reply to John_Scott:</em></a></blockquote><p>Why wouldn't you consider Apple Music. I prefer it to Spotify. Just because they are #2 doesn't mean it's not any good.</p>

      • John Scott

        10 August, 2017 - 5:24 pm

        <blockquote><a href="#163443"><em>In reply to lvthunder: I have tried them both, don't really like either Spotify or Apple Music they both have issues. I don't like the deals Artists do with content. I'm on the fence if I want to rent music or not. </em></a></blockquote><p><br></p>

    • GT Tecolotecreek

      02 August, 2017 - 2:28 pm

      <p><em>The one thing Apple is losing on is Apple Music. </em></p><p> Really? Apple Music launched in June/2015. <strong>So in 2 years</strong> they grown from <strong>0 to 27M paid subscribers </strong>and probably at least another 10-15 M free subscriptions. That growth has come at the expense of many of the lesser known streaming services, and probably some Spotify customers. </p><p><br></p><p><em>&nbsp;…but their foot print is shrinking in many ways.</em></p><p>Exactly how is their footprint shrinking? They have had quarter over quarter growth in Apple Music since it was launched. For their other business I suggest you take a look a the Q3/17 quarterly results announced yesterday. </p><p><br></p><p><br></p>

    • Darmok N Jalad

      02 August, 2017 - 4:44 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#163392"><em>In reply to John_Scott:</em></a></blockquote><p>Spotify is 9 years old. Apple Music is 2. I'd say Apple Music is doing ok gaining that many subscribers in that amount of time. </p>

  • Nic

    Premium Member
    02 August, 2017 - 10:24 am

    <p>Apple Services – runs on Azure</p><p>Netflix – runs on AWS</p><p>Apple cannot maintain their own infra for these things, despite all that money. I find that kind of interesting.</p>

    • lvthunder

      Premium Member
      02 August, 2017 - 11:49 am

      <blockquote><a href="#163397"><em>In reply to Nic:</em></a></blockquote><p>Maybe they just choose not to. Why spend all the resources (time, people) to do that when as long as it works the backend doesn't effect the users experience.</p>

    • GT Tecolotecreek

      02 August, 2017 - 2:18 pm

      <p><em>Apple cannot maintain their own infra for these things, despite all that money. I find that kind of interesting.</em></p><p><br></p><p>You seem to be implying they don't have the capability to do so. Obviously they have the financial deep pockets (256B cash on hand) to do so. They have already shown they know how with large and growing centers in Nevada and North Carolina. Couple points to consider: it takes takes time to build new centers. They have announced new ones coming both in Europe and I believe the far east. Their centers are typically with zero carbon footprint so solar/wind infrastructure needs to also be build for support. Approvals for projects of their scale can take years. Secondly, Apple takes security and privacy very seriously and using third parties like Azure/AWS is the weakest link in the security chain. When they bring it all in-house they will have full control. I think over the next 2-3 years you will see it all moving in-house with the only downside being a loss of revenue to MS. Apple has to be writing a pretty substantial check every month for those Azure services. </p>

    • Dan

      02 August, 2017 - 4:54 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#163397"><em>In reply to Nic:</em></a></blockquote><p>Apple services do not run on a single platform.</p><p>http://www.networkworld.com/article/3176085/cloud-computing/amazons-aws-s3-outage-yesterday-impacted-apples-services.html</p&gt;

  • dave0

    02 August, 2017 - 2:59 pm

    <p>Looks like it still holds true that the App Store generates lots of income for developers. How does the Play store compare?</p>

    • GT Tecolotecreek

      02 August, 2017 - 3:28 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#163503"><em>In reply to dave0:</em></a></blockquote><p>From the Apple Q3/17 results call: IOS App Store outsells Google Play by 2 times.</p><p>I think when Augmented Reality releases this fall your going to see a good sized bump upward.</p>

    • Darmok N Jalad

      02 August, 2017 - 4:40 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#163503"><em>In reply to dave0:</em></a></blockquote><p>Historically, iOS users are way more likely to spend money on apps versus Android users. </p>

    • Chris_Kez

      Premium Member
      11 August, 2017 - 10:43 am

      <blockquote><a href="#163503"><em>In reply to dave0:</em></a></blockquote><p>I would love to see how that developer income is distributed. My hunch is that a small number of developers (or software houses) capture the bulk of those payouts and that there is a very long tail of developers making little to no money. </p>

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