You finally convince me that the best choice for consumer is Apple.

I have own numerous Windows phones, Windows laptops, tablets try Android on phone and tablet, Surfaces devices and in the end it all amount to experience with the device. That experience is driven by the apps. Office is wonderful on Windows, Mac, IOS, and Android and so, is Lightroom. After that most of the apps I use are not found on Windows. And that’s the rub, as I my dozen Windows Phones remind. I wait for the my Surface Go to wake and past the time away with iPad realizing I could just go get things done with iPad OS. I want to have faith in Microsoft but my RT collection of four machines remain me that sometimes that is not a good idea and ARM with Windows sounds wonderfully like Windows RT with its great promise to be ready in the future. I even know where my Zune is buried to remain me how committed Microsoft is to consumers. No, I am not the business type in nature that is my folly for being in Windows this late date. Since the Android market is scattered to hell with best phones coming from Samsung, who wants to get rid of Google on their phones and tablets for some reason. I decided to go with Apple, who software is just as buggy as the rest but at least they don’t abandon your device so quickly. I thank you two for convincing me that Apple is the best choice when you are tried of tinker with things.

Conversation 17 comments

  • minke

    09 February, 2020 - 10:00 am

    <p>Google's ecosystem is even easier for people who don't want to tinker with things. Get a Chromebook and you spend a fraction, have updates that happen without drama, and very good integration with a Pixel phone. Yes, it is true that for some people who need specific apps Chrome is no good, but for the vast majority of people having access to web apps, the Chrome browser, Gmail, Google docs, Photos, etc. is plenty.</p>

    • lvthunder

      Premium Member
      10 February, 2020 - 5:54 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#519268">In reply to Minke:</a></em></blockquote><p>The original poster mentioned Lightroom so a Chromebook wouldn't do him any good.</p>

  • bob_shutts

    09 February, 2020 - 1:38 pm

    <p>I like IOS for two reasons: iMessage and the way IOS crashes so gracefully. The apps are great too, but it looks like the world is moving to subscriptions. </p>

    • waethorn

      10 February, 2020 - 5:24 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#519321">In reply to Bob_Shutts:</a></em></blockquote><p>I've NEVER heard of anyone say that they like a platform because of the way it crashes, until now. The Wow Starts Now.</p>

      • bob_shutts

        11 February, 2020 - 12:10 pm

        <blockquote><a href="#519613"><em>In reply to Waethorn:</em></a><em> Let's face it every OS crashes. (Well, uNix, not too often.) MacOS sits there with the spinning beach ball. Windows usually just freezes. IOS gently returns you to the home screen. Elegant, I would say. </em>?</blockquote><p><br></p>

  • Daekar

    10 February, 2020 - 11:58 am

    <p>I would say this is a no-brainer, really. If you can afford to pay the Apple tax and don't mind having your hand slapped any time you try to do anything complicated or interesting, the Apple ecosystem is the easiest and most effective overall. I say that as someone who uses Windows and Android first and iOS under duress for my work phone only.</p><p>It will be a cold day in hell when my needs are so simple as to be served by Apple devices, but if you find yourself in that boat it's not a bad way to go at all.</p>

    • jimchamplin

      Premium Member
      10 February, 2020 - 12:28 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#519540">In reply to Daekar:</a></em></blockquote><p>How complicated do your needs have to be when UNIX is apparently too "simple"?</p>

      • Daekar

        11 February, 2020 - 2:00 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#519543">In reply to jimchamplin:</a></em></blockquote><p>When you need compatibility and control. I don't want to do things the way Apple thinks I should because it shapes consumer behavior to the benefit of their bottom line, I want to do it the way I think it should be done for my own reasons. Every time I touch an Apple device I run into things that can't be done because they've locked something or other down in a way that doesn't happen on competing platforms. </p><p>My most recent headache has been trying to create a cloud-sync setup for mp3s and other files which will mirror the contents of arbitrary folders on OneDrive to the local filesystem of my work iPhone. Super easy to do on Android, from Google Drive, OneDrive, or other providers… I STILL haven't figured out a decent solution for it on an Apple phone (suggestions welcome, I'd love to be proven wrong here…). No way am I physically plugging in my phone to a PC and running iTunes to sync like it's 2005 and I'm dealing with an iPod again, this crap should be universal, compatible, and wireless – and it should be MY choice how and where things come from and go to.</p><p>My mother doesn't care. She doesn't have the knowledge to conceive of the need in the first place, let alone different arrangements or the patience to work them out. She's had iPhones for years and she loves her Mac on the rare occasions she has to use it. I would never suggest that she use anything else.</p>

    • TEAMSWITCHER

      10 February, 2020 - 3:46 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#519540">In reply to Daekar:</a></em></blockquote><p>Hmm.. My needs are too complex to be served by "only" a Windows PC. As a multi-platform software developer (PC/MAC-Web-Mobile) I need a device that can do it all. There is only one computer up for the task … Apple's MacBook Pro. Windows isn't a great experience on the MacBook Pro, but it works well enough so that I don' have to carry a second device. MacOS is great for iOS development and Web development .. and testing on Safari (as well as Chrome and Firefox). The MacBook Pro is fast, reliable, and best of all portable so you can take it with you. When at home, I place it on an M-Stand connected to an external monitor and it's a capable multi-display desktop. I can't imagine doing what I have to do .. without my MacBook Pro. It really is the "Swiss Army knife" of computers. </p>

      • illuminated

        10 February, 2020 - 6:10 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#519589">In reply to TEAMSWITCHER:</a></em></blockquote><p>Macbooks have crappy keyboards. Even compared to unbelievably thin surface keyboard Mac keyboard feels super-cheap.</p>

      • Daekar

        12 February, 2020 - 7:16 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#519589">In reply to TEAMSWITCHER:</a></em></blockquote><p>I find it hilarious that Apple's anti-consumer policy to refuse to support VMs on competitive hardware has amounted to a plus in their column for you, whereas Microsoft's policy to allow Windows to run on Macs somehow counts against them. Amazing.</p>

    • curtisspendlove

      11 February, 2020 - 12:05 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#519540">In reply to Daekar:</a></em></blockquote><p><em>It will be a cold day in hell when my needs are so simple as to be served by Apple devices, but if you find yourself in that boat it's not a bad way to go at all.</em></p><p><br></p><p>An interesting comment especially since I’ve spent the better part of a year trying to get Windows 10 to give me as good of a web development platform as my aging MacBook Pro does. </p><p><br></p><p>I haven’t been impressed with Apple’s hardware over the last few years so I’ve been working on having a workflow together if I ended up pulling the trigger on a Windows workstation. </p><p><br></p><p>They are so very close, especially with WSL. However, my best solution to clean web dev on a Windows machine is still “fire up a VM and just use Linux”. </p><p><br></p><p>:: shrug ::</p>

      • Daekar

        11 February, 2020 - 1:48 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#519650">In reply to curtisspendlove:</a></em></blockquote><p>If I wanted to dive into development, I would just go Linux. No reason not to. But as someone who needs to do productivity tasks for two different companies, play games, do 3d-printing, and has been spoiled for decades by the availability of almost any utility on the internet and the ability to build and maintain my own PCs… there is no comparison. Any time I use Apple products for anything, really, it works great as long as anything the task touches is Apple, and it's always got some compatibility problem if it has to deal with Windows, Linux, Android, etc.</p>

        • curtisspendlove

          12 February, 2020 - 12:29 am

          <blockquote><em><a href="#519755">In reply to Daekar:</a></em></blockquote><p>Yup. When you have specific tasks to do it doesn’t usually pay to go against your established workflows. </p><p><br></p><p>For the things I commonly do, The only thing that my Windows 10 PC currently excels at is gaming. </p><p><br></p><p>And that is more hardware related than software. Though there are a few games I like that are Windows only—though those are less common nowadays. </p><p><br></p><p>I know it will probably never happen but I really wish they’d officially support hackintoshes. Id love to install it on my own hardware. </p><p><br></p><p>Until I can do that, it’s Windows for gaming and any vertical market productivity tools. And if I don’t have a Mac around, Linux for everything else. </p>

  • illuminated

    10 February, 2020 - 6:01 pm

    <p>Did you write this post in 2012 and only pushed "Post comment" button in 2020? Sorry could not resist after seeing Windows RT, Phone and Zune. </p><p>Anyway, if you have money and Apple is good for you then why not go there. You can have everything provided by one company so all you have to worry is how much money you are paying. Choice will be made for you. Sometimes not having to choose is a good thing. </p>

    • overseer

      12 February, 2020 - 2:16 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#519623">In reply to illuminated:</a></em></blockquote><p>What's probably confusing you here is the fact that Microsoft is still using the same playbook they did in 2012. Still constantly launching and and touting new products and features and leaving them to die. There is no reason right now to believe that Duo and Neo and anything else they are teasing will ever be anything other than another short-lived poorly supported product if they even make it to a launch.</p><p><br></p><p>People complain about the "Apple Tax" but the Microsoft tax is a long line of devices and services that never delivered on promised functionality and were abandoned as soon as Microsoft went running after the new shiny.</p><p><br></p><p>As a consumer, at some point you have to accept the fact that Microsoft does not care about consumers and just puts products out there to keep themselves in the news cycle for being innovative and doesn't have any plan to support these things long term. </p><p><br></p><p>As an IT professional that deals almost exclusively with Microsoft I have to accept the fact that no matter how poorly their products and services perform, we will continue to hand them big piles of money because they have compromising photos of our CIO. I can't explain why we put up with them any other way. </p>

  • illuminated

    11 February, 2020 - 1:26 pm

    <blockquote><em><a href="#519638">In reply to TEAMSWITCHER:</a></em></blockquote><p>Good to hear about keyboard improvements since we are now being pressured to switch to Macs. </p>

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