Average speed cameras in Germany illegal under GDPR

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Gericht-stoppt-bundesweit-erstes-Streckenradar-4333809.html (German language)

I haven’t found an English report so far.

The German courts have decided that the first average speed camera system that went online 2 months ago is actually illegal under data protection rules (GDPR).

The problem is, a normal speed camera takes a picture of somebody breaking the speed limit and this is allowed.

The average speed cameras photograph every car / its numberplate as it enters and leaves the section under observation. The problem is, it takes images of cars/drivers that have not committed a crime and stores said image. In order to do that, the camera operator has to get the assent of every driver not breaking the speed limit to be photographed, before the image is taken. It is also illegal to store the information once the driver has left the control area, unless they are guilty of excessive speed.

The police got their knuckles rapped last month for using the cameras to trace/catch criminals of other crimes who happened to pass in front of these cameras. Now the State of Lower Saxony has to immediately disable the camera system, while they wait for their appeal to be heard.

Conversation 12 comments

  • Brad Sams

    Premium Member
    13 March, 2019 - 7:46 am

    <p>I find this hilarious. </p>

  • Paul Thurrott

    Premium Member
    13 March, 2019 - 8:16 am

    <p>LOL. The EU is a giant, slow-moving overreaction. </p>

    • AnOldAmigaUser

      Premium Member
      13 March, 2019 - 11:59 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#411767">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p>This isn't the EU, it is Germany.</p><p>Perhaps, having seen both fascism and communism, they are a bit more leery with regard to surrendering their information and freedom. Just a thought.</p>

      • wp7mango

        13 March, 2019 - 1:19 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#411890">In reply to AnOldAmigaUser:</a></em></blockquote><p>It may be Germany, but GDPR is a EU-wide issue. Rest assured, the implications will affect all other EU countries.</p>

        • wright_is

          Premium Member
          13 March, 2019 - 3:07 pm

          <blockquote><em><a href="#411951">In reply to WP7Mango:</a></em></blockquote><p>But each country has to implement the resolution as they see fit. GDPR itself is not a law, each country takes GDPR and turns that into their local data protection law. </p>

      • wright_is

        Premium Member
        13 March, 2019 - 3:09 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#411890">In reply to AnOldAmigaUser:</a></em></blockquote><p>Exactly. Germans are very sensitive to having anybody having information about them. </p><p>When we go to a party, the first thing my wife says is, that nobody has her permission to upload any photo of her to the internet. </p>

  • Tim

    Premium Member
    13 March, 2019 - 11:10 am

    <p>I follow GDPR…stuff…fairly closely. If you want to see some insane applications to the law, spend a day at /r/gdpr. That said, I love that this law is having this impact. Screw those cameras.</p>

    • wright_is

      Premium Member
      13 March, 2019 - 11:14 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#411874">In reply to Tim:</a></em></blockquote><p>We just had through that the bandage book / accident book for the first aiders has been replaced. You can't enter the accident into a log book in the first aid box any more, it has to be individual sheets, which are then given to personnel to be filed away for 10 years for legal and insurance reasons.</p><p>Basically, you can't just "browse" the logbook to see who had an accident. A good thing, really.</p>

      • Tim

        Premium Member
        13 March, 2019 - 12:09 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#411875">In reply to wright_is:</a></em></blockquote><p>I saw a discussion the other day debating the legality of teachers discussing students in a teacher's lounge. </p><p><br></p><p>I get it all, in principle, but so many of the things I've seen in this law seem really unenforceable. </p>

        • karlinhigh

          Premium Member
          13 March, 2019 - 12:26 pm

          <blockquote><em><a href="#411892">In reply to Tim:</a></em></blockquote><p>In Soviet Russia, everything was illegal. That way people could be arrested at any time.</p>

      • hrlngrv

        Premium Member
        13 March, 2019 - 1:51 pm

        <p><a href="https://www.thurrott.com/forums/general-discussion/uncategorized/thread/average-speed-cameras-in-germany-illegal-under-gdpr#411875&quot; target="_blank"><em>In reply to wright_is:</em></a></p><blockquote>. . . Basically, you can't just "browse" the logbook to see who had an accident. A good thing, really.</blockquote><p>From the perspective of someone familiar with US casualty insurance, rather asinine if it makes risk engineering based on statistical analysis of injury patterns more difficult to impossible.</p><p>What are the odds the EU got GDPR perfect from the start? If it were, it'd unique amongst regulatory schemes.</p>

        • Tim

          Premium Member
          13 March, 2019 - 2:47 pm

          <blockquote><a href="#411957"><em>In reply to hrlngrv:</em></a></blockquote><blockquote>From the perspective of someone familiar with US casualty insurance, rather asinine if it makes risk engineering based on statistical analysis of injury patterns more difficult to impossible.</blockquote><p><br></p><p>Allow me to play devil's advocate here…but what is the difference between that and, say, online publishers tracking and using data to target ads? </p>

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