Zoom is following China’s orders.


Zoom closed account of US-based Chinese Activist to comply with “local” law

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22 responses to “Zoom is following China’s orders.”

  1. wright_is

    Because activists in China took part in the June 4th remembrance conference and that is illegal in China. Doing business in China means complying with Chinese law.

    The account has since been re-instated.

    This is going to become more and more common, not just with China, but with any foreign jurisdiction, where you "do something". There are plenty of decency laws in the USA that users from more freethinking countries would fall afoul of, likewise a US user in a conference in Germany might land in hot water for pro-National Socialist comments, for example.

    That is the problem, you are sitting in one country, but your virtual presence is in another country, where you break their laws.

    In this case, the users knowingly broke Chinese law by allowing Chinese based users onto the conference. From a US point of view, no bigee, from the Chinese point of view, they broke the law and Zoom, doing business in China had to react.

    We can't just pick and chose which laws we want to obey and if we are acting internationally, we have to obey all of the laws in the countries where we are active.

  2. jimchamplin

    I am now following China's orders.

    Their orders say to drink more Ovaltine.

  3. max daru

    In reply to Waethorn: "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane." - Marcus Aurelius

  4. anoldamigauser

    In reply to Waethorn:

    Well, I can see there is no reasoning with you, since you have all the alternate facts.

  5. codymesh

    In reply to Waethorn:

    That's the difference between a free country and one that is not, yeah.

  6. anoldamigauser

    In reply to Waethorn:

    Of course, you are referring to the Tulsa massacre of 1921, or any of several thousand public lynchings held throughout the US, but especially in the Jim Crow south. Or perhaps you are referring to the recent problems in Michigan, where the armed "militia" was threatening State Representatives. Or in Harrisburg, PA, where, again, armed men gathered around the State House. Or perhaps in Philadelphia where a group of vigilantes wandered the streets with baseball bats looking for trouble.

  7. max daru

    In reply to Waethorn: Project Veritas? Seriously? You tipped your hand and I can safely ignore the rest of what you said. I like your informed comments on tech, but your non-tech information sources are hot garbage.
  8. lvthunder

    In reply to Waethorn:

    What channel are you watching? Maybe you need a better news source. Fox News and the Blaze both have been reporting on the theft, looting, and destruction.

  9. Paul Thurrott

    Zoom is following the law. All companies have to do this. In every country.

  10. wright_is

    In reply to Waethorn:

    German TV has been showing US TV coverage of the looting and rioting... Strange that US media isn't airing its own footage that it is selling abroad.

    • lvthunder

      In reply to wright_is:

      For some reason this isn't threaded correctly. It's just the liberal outlets either not covering or excusing the looting and rioting, because it's mostly happening in areas of the country that have been run by Democrats for years.

      • lwetzel

        In reply to lvthunder:

        I've resisted posting for as long as I can. That is a one-sided opinion and let's not forget there is a Right leaning media. It would be nice if we could refrain from dragging politics onto a site that has nothing to do with this topic.

      • wright_is

        In reply to lvthunder:

        Yeah, I'm not sure what happened there. After I posted, it was shown properly under Waethorn's posts.

        For clarity for others, I was replying to @Waethorn's quote:

        In the US, companies (and media) are ignoring the law by not reporting on theft, looting, destruction of private and public property, and so on.

    • lvthunder

      In reply to wright_is:

      What are you talking about? I live in the US and watched the riots and looting on TV live.

  11. wright_is

    In reply to Waethorn:

    No. But if in the West the government says that is illegal and any accounts on a service found to be supporting that activity should be closed, they would have to comply.

    Edit: Not sure what happened here, this was also an answer to a Waethorn post that was properly threaded after posting, but it is now orphaned.

  12. anoldamigauser

    In reply to Waethorn:

    That might be because in one country, dissent is allowed, and in another it is not. Personally, I am glad to live in a country where dissent is allowed, and is, in a sense, the most patriotic thing one can do.

    Again, though, in this case it is a company, complying with the law. It is not stating whether it agrees with that law or not. In the other country, they are saying that people have the right to dissent, because that is the law in that country.

  13. lvthunder

    In reply to Waethorn:

    That's not what he said. Those people doing illegal things should be arrested and charged.

  14. anoldamigauser

    In reply to Waethorn:

    I think we are talking about a company here, which had to enforce a law based on a country it was doing business in. It does not make the laws, it merely has to comply with them as a term of doing business in that country.

    I am baffled as to what you are referring to, but I think I would rather remain in the dark.

  15. Paul Thurrott

    Come on.

    I wish to God that every article (or in this case forum post) with the words Huawei, China, whatever didn't have to devolve into xenophobia, name-calling, etc. Let's just move on. There's no good reason for us to behave like this, and no benefit to constantly baiting each other. Let's be better than this.