Windows devices aren’t allowed at Google’s HQ due to security reasons

Just saw this on twitter and thought this is worthy of discussion. User @campuscodi said this yesterday “Windows devices aren’t allowed at Google’s HQ due to security reasons. Only Linux/macOS. You need special permission (and reasons) to run Windows at Google. Windows-related dev work usually gets done via a VM.”

This seems ridiculous. There’s no way this is true? Right??

Conversation 21 comments

  • yaddamaster

    04 January, 2019 - 2:30 pm

    <p>true at the campus near my home. But come on – this is a political reason and nothing to do with actual security. Every google neighbor I've spoken with affirms it's political. Apple isn't a threat to Google so they don't care.</p>

    • Mike Cramer

      04 January, 2019 - 6:49 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#391295"><em>In reply to yaddamaster:</em></a></blockquote><p>Yeah, it's political. Every platform has had its security issues painfully and publicly exposed these last few years.</p>

  • skane2600

    04 January, 2019 - 3:05 pm

    <p>Google: Windows is insecure and that's why we develop products for it! /s</p>

    • waethorn

      04 January, 2019 - 4:43 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391363">In reply to skane2600:</a></em></blockquote><p>Microsoft: Android killed our mobile plans and that's why we develop products for it!</p>

      • skane2600

        04 January, 2019 - 5:11 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#391470">In reply to Waethorn:</a></em></blockquote><p>Nice try, but Microsoft's mobile plans were misguided. Their problem was self-inflicted. </p>

        • waethorn

          04 January, 2019 - 7:14 pm

          <blockquote><em><a href="#391493">In reply to skane2600:</a></em></blockquote><p>Android stomped all over them in the marketplace BECAUSE Microsoft's mobile plans were misguided.</p>

          • skane2600

            05 January, 2019 - 3:16 pm

            <blockquote><em><a href="#391584">In reply to Waethorn:</a></em></blockquote><p>First Apple, then Google "stomped" them. Microsoft was a leading smartphone maker before the iPhone came along. </p>

    • Tony Barrett

      05 January, 2019 - 5:28 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391363">In reply to skane2600:</a></em></blockquote><p>Almost all of Google's apps are web based or PWA. I really can't think of many (other than Chrome) that are win32 based. Windows is still a big market though, so Google can't ignore it. They did ignore UWP though for very good reasons – it's a pretty pointless platform that barely anyone is using.</p>

      • skane2600

        05 January, 2019 - 3:09 pm

        <blockquote><em><a href="#391813">In reply to ghostrider:</a></em></blockquote><p>So essentially Chrome is the only factor that would discourage Google from ignoring Windows. Their web apps aren't platform-specific. </p>

  • simont

    Premium Member
    04 January, 2019 - 6:25 pm

    <p>And yet on the last Windows Weekly podcast of 2018, Chris Capisela (spellind may be wrong) said multiple developers are using Surface Book 2.</p>

    • wright_is

      Premium Member
      05 January, 2019 - 3:22 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391547">In reply to simont:</a></em></blockquote><p>There is a team developing for Windows there, without Windows PCs, they can't create and test the Windows version of Chrome, for example.</p><p>At a guess, I would assume the Chrome for Windows people get special dispensation, the rest have to use ChromeOS, Linux or macOS – and I would expect the company to bias that towards ChromeOS, because they are trying hard to promote their own OS outside the company; it isn't a very good image if they say "use ChromeOS, but hey, we use macOS inhouse."</p>

  • wright_is

    Premium Member
    05 January, 2019 - 3:19 am

    <p>Probably true. I worked for a security company and they ran nearly all Linux, with isolated Windows VMs for testing.</p><p>The problem with Windows, especially Windows 10 is that you cannot turn off a lot fo the telemetry (I think Windows is somewhere in the mid 5 figure events, Office 365, according to Microsoft, collects and sends home between 23,000 and 25,000 events).</p><p>This means that a lot of information you have no control over and no detailed documentation from Microsoft (and who is actually going to read through all 25,000 Office collection events to determine if they are safe anyway?) on what is collected is transmitted out of your network on a regular basis, with no way to turn it off.</p><p>Microsoft have currently agreed to make Microsoft Office GDPR compliant by the end of March – which would mean deactivating all Office telemetry by default and only sending back what the user has actually opted into. </p><p>According to the Germany DPOs, Windows 10 must do the same thing, if it is to be GDPR compliant.</p>

  • Tony Barrett

    05 January, 2019 - 5:24 am

    <p>Windows has always been inherently more vulnerable than Linux. That's not up for discussion. Almost every new exploit discovered in Win7 also affects Win10 too, so Win10 isn't that much better by the looks of it. I therefore agree that Google have a point.</p>

    • wright_is

      Premium Member
      05 January, 2019 - 10:26 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391812">In reply to ghostrider:</a></em></blockquote><p>And the almost daily CVE and zero-day patches for Linux and the base applications? When I was managing Linux servers, in the first half of this year, we were patching the servers at least twice a week.</p>

    • skane2600

      05 January, 2019 - 9:01 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391812">In reply to ghostrider:</a></em></blockquote><p>"That's not up for discussion" isn't a very compelling argument.</p>

  • FalseAgent

    05 January, 2019 - 6:55 am

    <p>so what is used at Google HQ? Ubuntu? ChromeOS? or is everyone there just using a mac? Good lord. God bless them….</p>

    • simont

      Premium Member
      05 January, 2019 - 12:13 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391842">In reply to FalseAgent:</a></em></blockquote><p>It used to be a Google version of Ubuntu, now I think its just specific Linux distro's and ChromeOS as the preferred choice</p>

  • glassman1234

    Premium Member
    05 January, 2019 - 8:02 am

    <p>There's a certain irony in the fact that the original phone home company prevents another from phoning home.</p>

  • Daekar

    05 January, 2019 - 9:58 am

    <p>This is more for image management than anything else. SIlly, really.</p>

  • dcdevito

    05 January, 2019 - 1:46 pm

    <p>It doesn't surprise me in the least. I'm a member of my local Google Developers group and whenever I attend a code-a-thon of some sort every Windows device and user are called out and teased. When they walk people through tutorials and installations they never mention Windows. It's 97% Mac and 3% Linux. Ironically I've never seen a Chromebook at an event either ;-)</p>

    • skane2600

      05 January, 2019 - 8:59 pm

      <blockquote><em><a href="#391972">In reply to dcdevito:</a></em></blockquote><p>So.. not a very professional group?</p>

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