https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/13/microsoft-sexual-harassment-lawsuit-lacklustre-response
Oh Dear, it seems that Satya still doesn’t get it.
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<p>The tech industry state of denial on this issue is deep. It threatens people's belief in the myth of meritocracy. </p>
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<blockquote><a href="#253901"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>Doesn't seem ambiguous to me at all. </p>
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<blockquote><a href="#253926"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>You're asking me to explain Jule's headline? Probably better if he explains himself (if he wishes to) but here goes:</p><p><br></p><p>He linked to a story about continuing problems at Microsoft concerning gender bias. Then he stated that Satya (who had previously made some clueless comments on the subject) is still acting like he doesn't understand the problem.</p>
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<blockquote><a href="#253928"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>You lost me at "press on the liberal side of things". </p>
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<blockquote><a href="#254110"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>I don't know much about the press in the UK, but if, in fact, they label themselves in such a manner it has no bearing on the political leanings or lack of them by media in the US (The UK press is different, example – the Sun used to publish pictures of 16 year-old topless girls). Obviously some media outlets are biased, but if there's a problem with most of the press in the US it's with false equivalence and fixation on ratings (traditional or otherwise). </p><p><br></p><p>In any case, the political leanings of media outlets that report about gender bias in tech is hardly evidence one way or another. </p>
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<blockquote><a href="#254184"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>POV matters only if you take a publications claims at face value. Facts, regardless of who they come from determines the validity of a claim. </p><p><br></p><p>BTW, The Guardian isn't the only publication that covers the story. Are they all liberal? :</p><p><br></p><p>money.cnn.com/2018/03/13/technology/microsoft-gender-discrimination-lawsuit/index.html</p><p><br></p><p>fortune.com/2018/03/13/microsoft-gender-discrimination-lawsuit-hr-complaints/</p><p><br></p><p>abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/lawsuit-microsoft-confirmed-118-gender-bias-complaints-53741809</p><p><br></p><p>www.engadget.com/2018/03/13/microsoft-faces-238-complaints-of-gender-discrimination-harassment/</p><p><br></p><p>www.reuters.com/article/us-microsoft-women/microsoft-women-filed-238-discrimination-and-harassment-complaints-idUSKCN1GP077</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>
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<blockquote><a href="#254269"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>What have you disproven? No matter how many times you make the claim that the US media is liberal it isn't proof. </p>
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<blockquote><a href="#254371"><em>In reply to Roger Ramjet:</em></a></blockquote><p>I didn't express an opinion on Ellen Pao v. Kleiner Perkins so I don't see how that disproves anything that I said. People and the press often have opinions on high-profile court cases. Just as the jury's conclusion on Pao doesn't necessarily invalidate other women's claims of discrimination, a paper's opinion on a single case doesn't necessarily lead to a valid conclusion of their default POV.</p>
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<blockquote><a href="#254428"><em>In reply to maethorechannen:</em></a></blockquote><p>OK, I didn't say otherwise, I just didn't have independent knowledge of it, so I said "if". In any case, my point was that UK press behavior doesn't have anything to do with the US press.</p>
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<blockquote><a href="#253908"><em>In reply to jimchamplin:</em></a></blockquote><p>I doubt that Microsoft is any worse than most of the others. If your partner is being treated appropriately, that's great but it doesn't mean that's true at most tech companies. Also I think the article is mostly referencing discrimination against women, not trans individuals.</p>
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<blockquote><a href="#254112"><em>In reply to karlinhigh:</em></a></blockquote><p>Equal pay for equal work would be a start. No harassment or at least if it occurred the company would respond appropriately without regard to who the harasser is even if they are the CEO or on the board. To the extent possible, equal representation in highly paid technical and executive positions (I don't know exactly how difficult it might be to find women who are qualified but I believe that the difficulty is exaggerated by discrimination deniers ). </p><p><br></p><p>Of course, qualifications are easily manipulated by companies to support whatever agenda they may have. The typical list of technical qualifications is absurdly long and with the average tech employee tenure of 3 years, most of these qualifications will never be used. Thus companies can deny anyone to be hired because they are don't have all the qualifications while hiring anyone they want who has at least some of them. Then there's always the excuse of the candidate's "fit". If most tech employees are young, white men, what can of person would you imagine would be a good "fit"?</p>
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<p>People in the tech industry are poli-social hypocrites.</p>
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<blockquote><a href="#257536"><em>In reply to MutualCore:</em></a></blockquote><p>That's what gender and racial equality initiatives are trying to achieve. So many of these discussions start out with the implicit unproven assumption that young, white men are the most qualified.</p>
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<blockquote><a href="#259495"><em>In reply to karlinhigh:</em></a></blockquote><p>Apparently Ms. McArdle is fallen for a common tech myth. What you do on your weekends has nothing to do with how good you are at work. Some people like to make tech both their hobby and their profession, which is fine, but professional work is fundamentally different than hobby activities even if there's an overlap in domain.</p><p><br></p><p>She might have been a victim of impostor syndrome as well.</p>