Edge Update from Windows Update needs a reboot? What the dealio?

Ya so it looks like it’s actually getting installed (finally!) through Windows Update, but they can’t install it without a reboot when the regular installer can? What a sh*tshow Microsoft is lately.

Conversation 24 comments

  • zeratul456

    18 August, 2020 - 1:10 pm

    <p>Personally I'm blown away by the fact that both Application Guard and Windows Sandbox completely stop working the moment I connect to WireGuard or OpenVPN. As if they never thought you needed to connect to your company server while using these services.</p>

  • illuminated

    18 August, 2020 - 6:15 pm

    <p>Just terrible. How they can even get up in the morning and make breakfast without blowing up the entire house. Unbelievable.</p>

  • StevenLayton

    19 August, 2020 - 2:57 am

    <p>I never know if a comment like this is serious or not. If there is a list of dumb first world problems, having to reboot your computer after installing something must be up there somewhere. </p>

    • navarac

      19 August, 2020 - 5:42 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#562403">In reply to StevenLayton:</a></em></blockquote><p>I wonder what is so time critical for people that they cannot spare 30 seconds (or less) to reboot a PC. </p>

    • waethorn

      19 August, 2020 - 10:36 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#562403">In reply to StevenLayton:</a></em></blockquote><p>I get what you're saying, but what motivation do you have to defend Microsoft's poor programming practices here?</p>

      • StevenLayton

        19 August, 2020 - 11:09 am

        <blockquote><a href="#562467"><em>In reply to Waethorn:</em></a><em> Okay, you’ve got me. Microsoft pay me £5 for every positive forum post I make about them. :/</em></blockquote><blockquote><em>Don't get me wrong, in an ideal world you shouldn't be interrupted by updates, but the benefit of security or feature updates typically outweighs that of having to reboot the machine to receive them.</em></blockquote><p><br></p>

        • waethorn

          21 August, 2020 - 12:25 pm

          <blockquote><em><a href="#562481">In reply to StevenLayton:</a></em></blockquote><p>Edge doesn't require a reboot. You can install it normally by the regular installer and it closes the old Edge, unloads any running instances, and reloads the new one.</p><p><br></p><p>So, why are you, or anyone else here for that matter, defending Microsoft's inconsistencies?</p>

          • StevenLayton

            21 August, 2020 - 4:39 pm

            <blockquote><a href="#562891"><em>In reply to Waethorn:</em></a><em> I’m not defending anyone or anything. The honest answer is that it just doesn’t bother me. There are bigger issues in life to get railed up about than having to reboot a computer. Not sure we’re going to meet in the middle on this one, sorry!</em></blockquote><p><br></p>

      • lwetzel

        Premium Member
        20 August, 2020 - 11:11 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#562467">In reply to Waethorn:</a></em></blockquote><p>You can't run you vehicle while you change out spark plugs. AND it requires a restart to make sure you did the job correctly. </p><p><br></p><p>Rebuild of a computer is a big deal whereas a restart is a very small inconvenience and you don't have to do it till you want to.</p>

  • madthinus

    Premium Member
    19 August, 2020 - 5:04 am

    <p>I guess they touch something in the OS that is protected and applied only on a reboot. So a side effect of the deep integration of the Windows update version compared to the stand alone installer. Sloppy maybe, but reality. If they install this with monthly updates, it should not be disruptive. I guess you "checked" for updates and was offered the install. </p>

    • waethorn

      19 August, 2020 - 10:37 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#562410">In reply to madthinus:</a></em></blockquote><p>Clean boot from a restart. Restarts don't use Fast Boot (i.e. hibernating the previous session). Check updates from Windows Update without touching anything else.</p>

  • ghostrider

    19 August, 2020 - 5:15 am

    <p>Once installed – and you'll have <em>no choice</em> soon – you'll never be able to uninstall it either. Nice one MS, up to your old tricks again.</p>

    • codymesh

      19 August, 2020 - 7:44 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#562412">In reply to ghostrider:</a></em></blockquote><p>which OS lets you uninstall its default browser?</p>

      • waethorn

        19 August, 2020 - 10:34 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#562427">In reply to codymesh:</a></em></blockquote><p>Every. Linux. Everywhere.</p>

        • hrlngrv

          Premium Member
          19 August, 2020 - 4:05 pm

          <p><a href="https://www.thurrott.com/forums/microsoft/windows/thread/edge-update-from-windows-update-needs-a-reboot-what-the-dealio#562461&quot; target="_blank"><em>In reply to Waethorn:</em></a></p><p>Probably every BSD variant too.</p>

        • codymesh

          19 August, 2020 - 6:19 pm

          <blockquote><em><a href="#562461">In reply to Waethorn:</a></em></blockquote><p>Yeah of course Linux can uninstall its default browser, Linux can even delete itself – the shell, etc.</p><p><br></p><p>You guys are saying "Linux is capable of self-destruction" like it's a dunk on Microsoft. Jesus </p>

        • navarac

          20 August, 2020 - 6:46 am

          <blockquote><em><a href="#562461">In reply to Waethorn:</a></em></blockquote><p>…some Linux updates require a reboot as well….!!</p>

          • waethorn

            21 August, 2020 - 12:23 pm

            <blockquote><em><a href="#562619">In reply to navarac:</a></em></blockquote><p>No they don't. Kernel upgrades can be done live, as Canonical has proven. All other packages can be done on the fly. Only silly GUI software center policies require reboots – the updates themselves don't.</p>

  • shmuelie

    Premium Member
    20 August, 2020 - 7:54 pm

    <p>Just a guess but Windows uses Edge for running embedded content (For example the shell has access). Changing something like that doesn't come for free. The stand-alone installers don't replace the embedded engine so no need to reboot.</p>

  • waethorn

    21 August, 2020 - 12:54 pm

    <blockquote><em><a href="#562502">In reply to lvthunder:</a></em></blockquote><p>I'm thinking prior to the Windows 95 IE4 + Active Desktop package.</p>

  • longhorn

    21 August, 2020 - 10:30 pm

    <p>Probably not the worst thing about Windows 10… cumulative updates are worse for example because you can't apply security updates without MS sneaking in something else. The MS browser has always been tied to Windows. We are currently in a phase where Win32 Edge replaces UWP Edge so that's why it's currently possible to install a standalone Win32 Edge on Windows. It will be part of the OS unless EU forces MS to implement "browser choice screen" which is highly unlikely given the dominance of Chrome.</p><p><br></p><p>Besides, trying to uninstall Firefox/Firefox ESR on Debian will pull in Epiphany browser instead. "Dependency hell" on Linux is real just like cumulative updates on Windows.</p><p><br></p><p>If you are a nerd, everything sucks. That's my own realization.</p><p><br></p>

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