I’m really sorry that I “upgraded” to W10. I bought my HP Envy23 already bundled with W8.1. It was totally functional, and even though my PC has touchscreen, I still use the traditional mouse/keyboard combo. I don’t need any whizz-bang features, just a reliable PC.
When I got the offer to “upgrade” to W10, I thought it would be a good move. Sadly, the Start button problem soon reared its ugly head, and is SO annoying. I’ve put a ClassicShell start app on. MS still haven’t addressed the problem.
When The latest “upgrades” were announced I thought that maybe the “start” problem might be fixed. Wrong.
Now, I can’t use my CD/DVD external drives (there isn’t an internal one on the Envy), so I can’t reload the scanner and VHS conversion software I had on W8.1.
So right now, I’m using my lovely PC as an email machine and a little bit of printing – I managed to d/l the samsung laser s/w to be able to use it.
So, in conclusion. Microsoft continues to disappoint and frustrate me. I was quite happy using XP, but thought that maybe the old MS “use the customers as r&d” attitude had gone. All the “help” and “troubleshooting” guides have, for me just been a total waste of time.
I wish I could get back to W8.1, so if anyone has any ideas, I’d be grateful.
skane2600
<blockquote><a href="#135017"><em>In reply to jimchamplin:</em></a></blockquote><p>If what you say is true MS should never have pushed everyone to upgrade. How many people do you imagine were running a non-OEM version of Windows 8? Sorry but if there's a problem after upgrading to Windows 10 for any reason, MS owns it.</p>
skane2600
<blockquote><a href="#135267"><em>In reply to lwetzel:</em></a></blockquote><p>I don't get your point. Nobody is suggesting that MS should adopt Apple's business model of not allowing their OS to run on hardware from other makers.</p>
skane2600
<blockquote><a href="#135043"><em>In reply to lordbaal1:</em></a></blockquote><p>MS should not have pushed people to upgrade (or in some cases upgrade without specific authorization) if they had reason to believe that legacy drivers were incompatible with Windows 10. They decided that the advertising value of saying that millions of people upgraded was more important than the risk that the upgrade would compromise people's PCs.</p>
skane2600
<blockquote><a href="#135120"><em>In reply to lordbaal1:</em></a></blockquote><p>If there wasn't a dialog asking the specific question "Do you want to upgrade to Windows 10, Yes, No, or ask me later" that takes no action if there's no response, then yes, it's a forced install. It's arrogant of people to deny other people's experiences. Unless you have examined all the relevant MS code, you have no basis to say nobody had Windows 10 install without permission.</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/10/microsoft-admits-windows-10-automatic-installs/#474a85a3b4c2</p>
skane2600
<blockquote><a href="#135229"><em>In reply to lordbaal1:</em></a></blockquote><p>You're just repeating the same unproven claim despite the fact that I provided you with contrary evidence. Do you really believe that many people woke up one morning and decided to falsely accuse MS of installing Windows 10 without permission? </p>
skane2600
<blockquote><a href="#135280"><em>In reply to lordbaal1:</em></a></blockquote><p>Without access to all the relevant source code or some other evidence it's impossible to prove or disprove. But personal accounts are much better evidence than a simple denial. Putting aside the possibility of deliberate action or attempts to trick people into saying "yes" by MS, the nature of bugs in a complex system is that they are often triggered by a very specific set of circumstances. With the millions of Windows PCs in the wild it's not surprising that some of these corner cases occur. So the fact that one group of people didn't experience a specific problem isn't definitive evidence that other people haven't. </p><p><br></p><p>As a long time software developer I've seen too many cases where developers have sworn that a reported bug couldn't possibly happen, only to find that it has.</p>