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wright_is
Premium Member<p>How do you justify Core 12th generation over 11th generation, same thing as M1, M2 etc. You have i3, i5, i7 and i9, plus Atom, Celeron, Pentium and Xeon (Silver through Platinum), are you saying Pro, Max and Ultra is more difficult to understand?</p><p><br></p><p>Especially with overlaps, with some Celerons being more powerful than Pentiums, Core i7s faster than base Xeons etc.</p>
will
Premium Member<p>I agree. Intel has the 11th Gen, 12th Gen, then the 13th Gen (if they keep that naming) and then the various versions inside of that generation; (U, P, H) and then they have the i series inside of that; i3, i5, i7, i9. Apple has two lines currently the A series and the M series. For the M they have M1, M1 Pro, M1 Max, and M1 Ultra. </p><p>When Apple does the M2 chip it will be just like Intel does the 12th and 13th generations and Intel releases those generations over several months. Apple is doing the same with the base M series and then updates to the other lines in that series over several months. Just like Intel, I would guess the M series will see percent improvements over time in a wide range of areas and it will be a yearly(ish) update cycle.</p>
johnnych
<p>It’s funny listening to a couple of Windows guys trying to dissect and interpret Apple’s product plans 🙂 I think the number one thing you have to keep in mind these days is that Apple is actually listening to its consumer base and what it wants. Gone are the days of form over function (overly-thin designs and over-priced models). There’s a new M1 chip for everyone now at all price points and they are capable of accomplishing todays tasks. What more can you ask of a company to be honest? Just ask Leo Laporte today on Windows Weekly how much money he spent on the new M1-Ultra :)</p>
bkkcanuck
<p>Yes and No, this is basically a cube or a trash-can Mac — but it is too soon to shape it like a trash-can again… It is basically half the size of a small ITX case, with the performance of a workstation class machine… it is a chunky boy, but fitting a couple hundred watt computer in the existing Mac Mini case – was not going to happen… I think it would have looked better as a black computer… In the end, with the way it is all designed as tightly integrated, fitting it in the smallest case works for me… If I go somewhere for a couple months, I can pack it up and take it with me … that works for me. This is a professional class machine… and we have all seen what has happened when Apple has prioritized ‘beauty’ over function in their pro line… so I am fine with this. (and if I was not, it is still small enough I could attach a shelf under my desk top and hide it there… </p>
Stabitha.Christie
<p>I always enjoy when Paul does the "Come on guys….." like he knows best and Apple is a floundering buffoon of a company that never succeeds because they miss the obvious. </p>
Paul Thurrott
Premium Member<p>I love when you completely misunderstand what I’m saying too. I never once act like they’re floundering. </p>
Stabitha.Christie
<p>Then your message comes across as something other than you intend. Perhaps some introspection is in order. Or not, just getting defensive has been your go to for awhile so might as well stick with what you know. </p>
Paul Thurrott
Premium Member<p>Also funny: I’ve owned more Macs, and more iPhones, and more iPads, than most Apple fans.</p><p><br></p>
pecosbob04
<p>Yeah but that is more than a little disingenuous given the fact that you buy a Mac for evaluation purposes as a requirement for your reviews then return it. Also on the rare occasion when you do keep the Mac it is only used to evaluate some new function of the OS. Bottom line a person who uses a Mac professionally has spent more time in the last quarter in front of a Mac than you have in the last 20+ years. Just sayin’ . . .</p><p><br></p>
Paul Thurrott
Premium Member<p>That is NOT what I meant. I’m talking about products I’ve bought and kept.</p>
pecosbob04
<p>Products or Macs? We know you have used iPhones in the past and that you seem to really appreciate iPads but Macs are a different case. Over the last 20 years how often have you used a Mac you bought as your daily driver for more than three months?</p>
joeaxberg
Premium Member<p>I’m intrugued by the CPU tech. I don’t want a homogeneous personal computer industry, where you have lots of choice in terms of what the metal/plastic on the outside looks like, but inside it’s the usual parts in the usual places. I think it is interesting they are charting their own course here.</p><p> </p>
Michael_Miller
<p>If you are an Apple guy, you don’t listen to these two. </p>
wright_is
Premium Member<p>Not true. And they both also use Apple products.</p>
Paul Thurrott
Premium Member<p>Yeah, that’s smart. Just tune into the echo chamber.</p>
Stabitha.Christie
<p>It’s hard to speak in absolutes but I don’t think that is accurate. I’m mostly use Apple stuff and I have been reading/listening to Paul since at least the Internet Nexus days. Brad only came on to my radar when he joined this site. I don’t always agree with the coverage here (Apple or non-Apple) but hearing a differing opinion doesn’t harm me and I don’t have to agree with a perspective to enjoy hearing it. I’m guessing I’m not only Thurrott that thinks that way. </p>
themike
<p>I don’t subscribe to the new ESPN NHL package for the same reason(s) I was so upset about the NHL Network service: Blackouts and the dearth of available playoff games available to watch. One might expect the organization running the whole she-bang to allow people to watch games it’s putting on. Even away games outside of the market area are unavailable which is weird because I thought blackouts were originally devised to get people in the stands.</p>
BLeduc
Premium Member<p>I was a Windows guy and followed Paul and Brad then and now I am an Apple guy through-and-through. I am a member here to keep me grounded and out of the echo chamber.</p>
harrymyhre
Premium Member<p>If i could draw cartoons i would draw one of the MacBook air with one USB c port from years ago.</p><p><br></p><p>Then in the next panel i wiuld draw the new unicorn Mac with the 27 FireWire, USBA, USBC , Ethernet? Wires all over. </p><p><br></p><p>Not sure what the caption would be. </p>
pecosbob04
<p>"Not sure what the caption would be." or what point you are trying to make.</p><p><br></p>
wright_is
Premium Member<p>I agree $400 for an adjustable arm is ludicrous – especially as it is a legal requirement for businesses, over here in Germany.</p><p><br></p><p>But the 27" LG that it is supposedly based on costs around $1300, the Apple Studio version adds the camera, decent speakers, the processor to enable the True Tone technology and the camera that follows you, plus a microphone array. That makes the price seem more reasonable. Still way out of my league, I went with a $500 LG 43" 4K display…</p><p><br></p><p>Colour accurate displays cost a lot of money, in fact, $1600 isn’t that steep, compared to the likes of Eizo, their 1920×1200 color true display costs about the same as the Apple display, for example.</p>
bkkcanuck
<p>Any business relying on the monitor stand that is included is being cheap anyway, and would not be buying a $1000+ monitor. They would be installing monitor mounts (grommel based) and using the VESA mount option on the monitor. It is far superior to any included monitor stand with your average computer. In my case, ever monitor, laptop (using a laptop tray addon), ipad (using another laptop tray addon), and even my mic (using a VIVO Vesa mount adapter) are mounted on heavy duty NB North Bayou H100 monitor mount — which probably cost me around $45USD per mount. They leave the front of the desk clear for other stuff that I might need to use the desk for an are far superior ergonomically. </p>
wright_is
Premium Member<p>All of our monitors (mostly Dell) come with height adjustable and pivotable angle stands as standard and we use them. Buying additional VESA mounts would be excessively expensive, it quickly adds up, when you are buying thousands of monitors – and, if I’m paying over $1,000 for a monitor, I would expect it to have a better (functional) stand than a $200 monitor.</p><p><br></p><p>It is a legal requirement that monitors used by employees must have a non-reflective screen and be height adjustable. It makes using iMacs, MacBooks and touch-screen Windows laptops awkward, you have to get an employee waiver, that they accept the risks of reflective screens (and in the case of the iMac, also non-height adjustable).</p>