Yes, Vivaldi Will Disable FLoC Too

Not to be outdone by DuckDuckGo and Brave, alternative browser maker Vivaldi has announced that it, too, will block Google FLoC user tracking.

“Google’s new data harvesting venture is nasty,” Vivaldi founder and CEO Jon von Tetzchner writes. “Called FLoC (The Federated Learning of Cohorts), this new advertising technology intends to replace third-party cookies and related technologies like third-party localStorage. This clearly is a dangerous step that harms user privacy.”

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Vivaldi notes that while it, like Brave, uses Google’s Chromium as the underpinnings of its own browser, it is free to do its own thing when it comes to FLoC. And Vivaldi, unlike Google, stands up for the privacy rights of its users and does not approve of tracking and profiling, “in any disguise.” As a result, Vivaldi will also block Google’s FLoC.

“Our privacy policy is simple and clear; we do not want to track you,” Mr. Tetzchner explains. “The FLoC experiment does not work in Vivaldi. It relies on some hidden settings that are not enabled in Vivaldi … we modify the Chromium engine in many ways to keep the good parts but to make it safe for users; we do not allow Vivaldi to make that sort of call to Google.”

Vivaldi pledges to disable FLoC, no matter how it is implemented going forward. And this line pretty much sums it all up:

“[FLoC] does not protect privacy and it certainly is not beneficial to users, to unwittingly give away their privacy for the financial gain of Google,” Tetzchner says. Exactly.

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  • MikeCerm

    14 April, 2021 - 10:48 am

    <p>It seems pretty obvious to me: there's no chance that any non-Google browser is going to support tech that makes it easier for Google to track users, even in a less granular way than Google used to track. Vivaldi doesn't run a massive ad network, so there's no benefit to them. All this tracking is dumb anyway. Advertisers for decades had no problem putting ads on TV, where all that is known to the advertiser is what program their ads would run during. Ads for cleaning products in home improvement shows on HGTV. Ads for erectile dysfunction on Fox News. Sure, web technology made it possible to track people around the web, but modern browsers are making it easier to circumvent that tracking. It's an arms race. FLoC is supposed to be Google's way of calling a truce, but everyone else is just like, "nah, let's just go back to no tracking at all."</p>

    • Saarek

      15 April, 2021 - 2:47 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#623001">In reply to MikeCerm:</a></em></blockquote><p>Could you imagine the justified public outrage, laws &amp; lawsuits that would have followed had one of those traditional advert mediums been able to snoop on people?</p><p><br></p><p>It’s almost unfathomable that they’ve been permitted to get away with this and continue to get away with this.</p><p><br></p><p>Until the public are fully informed of this insidious practice nothing will change.</p><p><br></p><p>Apple has started to lead the charge, others are now correctly picking up the mantle.</p><p><br></p>

  • anoldamigauser

    Premium Member
    14 April, 2021 - 10:57 am

    <p>I wonder how long it will be until Microsoft announces the same for Edge.</p>

    • SvenJ

      14 April, 2021 - 2:19 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#623004"><em>In reply to AnOldAmigaUser:</em></a><em> The ad writes itself. Don't get Floc'd, get Edge.</em></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><p><br></p>

    • mixedfarmer75

      Premium Member
      15 April, 2021 - 10:18 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#623004">In reply to AnOldAmigaUser:</a></em></blockquote><p>I like the edge browser, but I only trust MS marginally more than Google. Hopefully they come out against this tracker. Might have to switch to Brave or Vivaldi. Both are nice.</p>

      • Paul Thurrott

        Premium Member
        16 April, 2021 - 9:27 am

        You should trust Microsoft a lot more than Google, if only because Microsoft’s reach as you use the web is non-existent. But Google’s is near total, and they’re tracking your every move.

  • beckoningeagle

    Premium Member
    14 April, 2021 - 11:25 am

    <p>The ball is in Microsoft's court now. They need to step up to the plate. These are as many sport analogies as I can come up with.</p>

  • jbinaz

    14 April, 2021 - 11:42 am

    <p>So how do companies like Brave, Vivaldi, Duck Duck Go make money?</p>

    • bsobotta

      15 April, 2021 - 2:10 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#623010"><em>In reply to jbinaz:</em></a><em> brave is using a thing called a BAT you can look it up. </em></blockquote><blockquote><br></blockquote><blockquote><em>Not sure on the other two. </em></blockquote><p><br></p>

  • red.radar

    Premium Member
    14 April, 2021 - 12:27 pm

    <p>How long before these third party chromium projects diversify and start playing with a new browser engine. </p><p><br></p><p>I worry that google architects chromium in a manner to make these tracking techniques hard to remove without loosing some critical functionality </p>

  • divodd

    Premium Member
    14 April, 2021 - 6:01 pm

    <p>So sad to see the ever expanding spread of privacy extremism. </p><p><br></p><p>No one has ever made a coherent case on why ads targeted to your interests are bad save for a Luddite insistence that it's "creepy" </p>

    • wright_is

      Premium Member
      15 April, 2021 - 12:15 am

      <blockquote><em><a href="#623073">In reply to Divodd:</a></em></blockquote><p>It isn't the adverts per se, it is the collection of the minutiae of your online life.</p><p>That said, targeted advertising has never shown me a single product I would buy – or more often, it just keeps showing me the product I've already bought!</p><p>Bought a new high end smartphone? Here are a dozen high end smartphones you might be interested in! NOT!</p><p>Bought a new dishwasher? Here are a dozen other dishwashers for the other kitchens in your apartment!</p>

      • justme

        Premium Member
        15 April, 2021 - 4:19 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#623110">In reply to wright_is:</a></em></blockquote><p>This, exactly. I am also in the camp of having not seen a targeted ad of a single product I would buy.</p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      15 April, 2021 - 9:24 am

      The corporate overlords appreciate your uncritical and unthinking support. They literally rely on this level of thinking. So you’re like a super-spreader.

      • bsobotta

        15 April, 2021 - 2:00 pm

        <blockquote><a href="#623188"><em>In reply to paul-thurrott:</em></a><em> can't like this enough. </em></blockquote><p><br></p>

    • bsobotta

      15 April, 2021 - 1:57 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#623073"><em>In reply to Divodd:</em></a><em> I didn't mind so much until Google started getting political. Now I have no trust in them not exploiting my privacy to their gain. </em></blockquote><p><br></p>

  • bill_russell

    15 April, 2021 - 7:04 pm

    <p>So why do we "trust" this Vivaldi, Brave and others with no known business model? In my mind, a well funded company is going to be far more concerned with doing more good then if they are struggling to survive and partnering with taboola and outbrain crap. </p><p>Google has proven to be a good citizen of the internet, being the majority gateway to it, and I have yet to suffer any ill-effects from years of being warned of this so called "snooping". Love how everyone bashes Google who effectively wrote and maintains everyone's browser for them, except Firefox (although Google also keeps it alive with the default search engine deal). Such browsers just wrap their own self serving "chrome" features and probably don't give anything back to chromium. </p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      16 April, 2021 - 9:20 am

      What the heck is this? Are you a Google PR plant?

      Brave, Vivaldi, and “others” all have business plans. Those plans just don’t involve violating user privacy and tracking users around the web. I’ll let you do the research into what those business plans are.

      • saint4eva

        17 April, 2021 - 1:54 am

        <blockquote><em><a href="#623352">In reply to paul-thurrott:</a></em></blockquote><p>?????</p>

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