MS Dev Show Episode 155: The More You Know with Paul Thurrott

The MS Dev Show talks with Paul Thurrott about his thoughts on Microsoft. We solve part of the uppercase/lowercase mystery, and apparently, Swag is an acronym.

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  • siko

    03 June, 2017 - 12:29 pm

    <p>Stop using Chrome and relentless heaps of win32 apps on your surface book Paul!</p>

    • BoItmanLives

      03 June, 2017 - 1:18 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#122041"><em>In reply to siko:</em></a></blockquote><p>Why should he stop using the industry standard browser?</p>

      • siko

        03 June, 2017 - 7:16 pm

        <blockquote><a href="#122050"><em>In reply to BoItmanLives:</em></a></blockquote><p>Industry standard? Because sheeple all got scroogled? Sorry, the standard is defined by w3c etc. The implementations are done by the enterprises and open source groups. </p><p>In fact the one made for Windows 10 (That is what you run on a Surface Book), is power efficient, very fast and yes, industry standard compliant. And on my SB no hotbag syndrome.</p><p>That's why I recommend Paul to try 'vanilla' Windows on his Windows device…. to see what and how it makes a difference.</p><p><br></p><p>Please, don't tell me 'Industry standard' because 'most people' use something…. If Chrome (and it's related system services) flies for you, great, but if perhaps it causes a problem on an otherwise well behaving system, maybe re-think your 'industry standard'.</p><p><br></p>

        • skane2600

          03 June, 2017 - 9:59 pm

          <blockquote><a href="#122117"><em>In reply to siko:</em></a></blockquote><p>"Industry standard" doesn't necessarily have anything to do with standard bodies. MS Office is the closest thing to an industry standard Office suite. but it isn't derived from any official standard. IMO the best official standards codify existing practice rather than trying to invent new ones. </p>

          • siko

            06 June, 2017 - 12:05 pm

            <blockquote><a href="#122197"><em>In reply to skane2600:</em></a></blockquote><p>A browser should implement standards.</p><p>It should render fast, be safe and energy efficient (in the area of mobile computing that is key!)</p><p>Edge really does very well in those areas. </p><p>That the market (or industry) was in the process of adopting Chrome over IE and Firefox, does not say anything bad/good about Edge.</p><p>Think for yourself, reset your defaults once in a while. Edge is pretty good.</p>

        • hrlngrv

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          04 June, 2017 - 1:43 am

          <p><a href="#122117"><em>In reply to siko:</em></a></p><p>Edge sitting at less than 6% global usage share as opposed to Windows 10 with 26.8% global usage share in May 2017 (per Netmarketshare), so less than 1 in 4 Windows 10 users using Edge. That causes you actual physical pain, does it?</p><p>MSFT Edge — the best browser shunned by most there is.</p>

          • siko

            06 June, 2017 - 12:03 pm

            <blockquote><a href="#122206"><em>In reply to hrlngrv:</em></a></blockquote><p>I suggest you look at the video in my post 'Rethinking Google'…. </p><p>That google lives of our data is not the only reason I stay as far from using it as I can…</p><p>But all is a moment, that is changing all the time.</p><p>30 years from now we all communicate telepathically perhaps and technology of today is laughed upon as a quirk in the history of mankind… </p><p>Happy browsing (really try Edge again, cool extensions available these days too!) ;)</p>

    • skane2600

      03 June, 2017 - 6:01 pm

      <blockquote><a href="#122041"><em>In reply to siko:</em></a></blockquote><p>Surface devices are Win32 steak with a thin layer of UWP sauce on top. An UWP-updated WinRT device at a cheaper price would be perfect for people who want only the sauce.</p>

  • nbplopes

    03 June, 2017 - 3:00 pm

    <p>Hi, just to say that I find there is a fare amount of romanticism regarding Microsoft vs the rest of the tech companies in particular Google and Apple. Being of course Microsoft the Hero and the other the guys that someway or another don't play well with others or are dishonest unless their hands is forced.</p><p>Made me smile.</p><p><br></p>

    • Paul Thurrott

      Premium Member
      04 June, 2017 - 8:39 am

      <blockquote><a href="#122076"><em>In reply to nbplopes:</em></a></blockquote><p>Experience can breed respect or the reverse. Either way, it's earned.</p>

      • siko

        05 June, 2017 - 9:04 am

        <blockquote><a href="#122236"><em>In reply to Paul Thurrott:</em></a></blockquote><p>Can't help to notice your repeated acclaim of having hot-bag issues with your Surface Book.</p><p>I own one too, for almost a year now, and never experienced that.</p><p>I run mostly 10 with it's default apps, UWP variant if I find one and some win32 apps that only run when I open them (i.e. no background services).</p><p>Edge is behaving splendid and is my favorite browser anyway (speed and clean look).</p><p><br></p><p>So, my suggestion would be to clean-boot (disable all non MS services, except the ones you know to cause no problems) and go with it for a while… maybe do a 'rethinking about Edge' post one day?</p><p><br></p><p>HTH</p>

  • navarac

    03 June, 2017 - 7:03 pm

    <p>A really excellent podcast. Re-microwave bacon, use a sheet of kitchen roll to soak up the grease – perfect.</p>

  • Nonmoi

    06 June, 2017 - 4:31 pm

    <p>Android bridge in retro-spec: if no one willing to develop the Windows apps for Mobile is a given, would it be better to be able to at least sale Windows device (WP) instead? Note, that even if 100% of 3rd party apps are ported from Android, WP will still have the appeal of a more modern UX, and better 1st party app experience. (And maybe even tailored hardware for specific niche, if MS decides to focus on… e.g. Businesses.) </p>

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