Microsoft Discusses a Very Limited Future for Windows 10 Mobile

Posted on September 29, 2016 by Paul Thurrott in Windows Phones with 93 Comments

Microsoft Discusses a Very Limited Future for Windows 10 Mobile

Though Windows 10 Mobile made almost no appearance in Microsoft’s recent Ignite conference keynotes, the software giant did in fact discuss its future in a show session. And as you might expect given the platform’s death spiral, it’s pretty limited.

I know. But you don’t take my word for it. You can watch the sobering session, called Discover what’s next for Windows 10 Mobile for phones and small tablets, for yourself on YouTube. You can also find the slides from the presentation here.

So what’s coming in Windows 10 Mobile?

New Continuum functionality, pretty much. More specifically:

Independent Monitor Idle. A terrible name for a useful feature, Independent Monitor Idle lets one screen time out (“sleep”) while you’re working with another screen. This can help save battery life, for example, so if you’re working on the big screen, the phone’s screen can turn off.

Proximity Connect. Today, you can use Continuum with wired or wireless (Miracast) connections. Future releases will support a third option, called Proximity Connect, which will let you keep the phone in your pocket or bag, approach a wireless dock, and keep working. This is obviously the feature HP plans to use for its laptop-like dock for the Elite x3. Which you will note is not actually shipping yet.

More customizable. You’ll be able to customize the Start screen separately on the phone and on the big screen connected via Continuum.

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More PC-like features. Continuum’s full-screen experience will get more PC-like over time, adding familiar features like Start search, taskbar app pinning with context menus on right-click, a PC-like Action Center, and a system tray. But the biggest new feature here is windowing support: You will be able to run multiple apps simultaneously in floating windows, just like a Big Boy OS. You’ll also be able to run two apps side-by-side, just like Windows 8.

And .. that was it for the future. Four new Continuum features.

That said, there was a lot of other talk about momentum and business functionality, and of course some questions from the audience. So here are some further observations on what was said, and what wasn’t said during this presentation.

And small tablets? The name of the session is more than a bit insincere, given that Windows 10 Mobile isn’t actually available on small tablets, and no such devices were ever mentioned. Instead, Windows 10 Mobile is a system that runs on phones and on the handheld and ruggedized devices that you see in retail, industrial, and other vertical markets. Sorry.

Windows 10 Mobile is only for businesses. This was stressed repeatedly in different ways. There’s no consumer play here at all, and that is not changing going forward. Even the “More Personal” slide was about “Office 365 pre-installed, OneDrive for Business, Cortana for work,” and so. Businesses, not individuals/consumers.

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Windows 10 Mobile is for existing business customers, not for new customers. This one was interesting. At one point, one of the presenters said of the future, “our desire in this space is that Windows Mobile remain the safest, most manageable, most deployable solution for organizations that are already Microsoft customers. You will see that in the next year, and in the years after that.” That’s extremely limited, from an aspiration/goal standpoint. The question, by the way, was what success looked like for Windows phones.

Imagine having to present about this topic in front of a room full of Windows phone fans. Naturally, the questions in the Q&A session got increasingly testy, as if the people on stage were responsible for Microsoft shipping apps for iPhone and Android, or for the lack of a Snapchat app. Kudos for the calm responses they gave. I imagine they live under a lot of pressure day-to-day as it is.

Microsoft is “still committed” to Windows 10 Mobile. Acknowledging that Microsoft has “refocused” its in-house mobile efforts, the presenters said that Microsoft was still very much committed to Windows 10 Mobile, which is part of the Windows 10 family of solutions. He also noted that its phone partners were “enterprise-focused,” which is a way of saying “not consumer focused.”

Microsoft will still make Window phone(s) of its own. The presenters dragged out that May 2016 quote from Terry Myerson, in which he said that Microsoft and its partners would continue to make Windows phones, and said it was still true. This is certain to renew excitement in a Surface phone. But it shouldn’t. Nothing has changed, and Surface phone can’t cure this platform’s issues.

Timing. Everything Microsoft did discuss in this session are things that the firm is “actively working on,” but it would not commit on a time frame. So some new features may appear in “Redstone 2,” the Spring 2017 release of Windows 10 Mobile. But some, like Continuum Proximity Connect, may appear sooner, I’d imagine.

Remaining Continuum limitations: Win32/x86 apps do not work.Continuum continues to be stuck in a UWP sink hole, and of course Windows 10 Mobile only runs on ARM, so there’s no way to run the applications people really want in Continuum. The presenter didn’t address this at all during the session, but kudos to the attendee who called him on that. “We don’t support Win32 applications on [Windows phones in Continuum] today,” he responded. “I acknowledge that gap.” And then he recommended that the questioner move his LOB apps to UWP or RDP out to a data center that can deliver those applications from the cloud. In other words, they are not addressing the single biggest limitation in Continuum.

Remaining Continuum limitations: Not all phone apps run. Many phone apps are simply unavailable today on the big screen. Will Microsoft ever fix this? In the “long term,” they do hope to do so, but no promises on complete coverage. It’s crazy to me that Continuum will support floating windows but will not fully support all phone apps, which could/should just run in non-resizable, phone-sized windows.

Windows Ink. Microsoft has nothing to say about inking support in Windows 10 Mobile at this time. Seems like that should have been a big part of any “what’s next” talk about this platform. You know, if it were happening.

ARM64. Today, Windows 10 Mobile is a 32-bit OS, even when running on a 64-bit chipset, so it’s limited from a hardware resources (RAM, mostly) perspective. The presenters refused to address whether this would ever change when asked, but acknowledged it was “an important gap.”

Microsoft’s use of Windows phone internally. One attendee asked how Microsoft used Windows phone internally. Let me answer that one more accurately than the presenter did: They don’t. And at Microsoft Ignite this year, there was a dramatic drop in the number of Windows phones seen, especially among Microsoft employees. It was something many in the press remarked on.

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    nordyj Alpha Member #1237 - 2 months ago

    I'd love to think that there's somebody, at least in the Garage team, that's implementing a Microsoft built "Metro" launcher for Android.  I don't personally need to have Windows 10 Mobile as my actual OS (though I'd love to, if there were apps to support it), but it's the UI experience that I miss most about Windows Phone.  I've tried several attempts at Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile launchers on my Android, and found them all lacking.  I could have my cake and eat it too if MS supported this.  The UI I want, on a platform that has developer support.

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    engellion Alpha Member #2269 - 2 months ago

    "This is certain to renew excitement in a Surface phone. But it shouldn’t. Nothing has changed, and Surface phone can’t cure this platform’s issues."

    News that MS is committed to making its own devices, doesn't excite me. It gives me confidence that MS is committed to the platform. I'm essentially a business user, and have had the Lumia 930 for two years now. A Lumia 925 prior to that. And a Lumia 800 prior to that. Yes, I am waiting to see what MS does next in the way of a device release. If there's no announcement by end of 1st Qtr next year, I'll stop waiting and move on....but not necessarily to another OS. I'll probably start looking at other OEM's building Win10 mobile phones.

    I like the platform and I can do everything I need to do with all the apps I need to use. Web, Email, & Messenging. Facebook, Whatsapp, Viber, Twitter, Skype, FB Messenger - these are the big goto apps for comms for me. Not bothered about anything else as all these apps are multiplatform, and I use all of them for both business and personal use.

    I've found some great, slick, Win10 UWP apps that I like too. My top five 3rd party apps are

    1. Audible
    2. Viber
    3. Twitter
    4. Windows Central
    5. DropBox

    All are elegant, fast and fluid. Somehow, they manage to keep the soul of what made WP7 refreshing.

    For you YouTube I use "myTube!" (really nice on WP8.1 or the UWP app on Win10Mob).

    For Fitness tracking, I use "7 minute workout", "Endomondo", and "Ur Health & Fitness Tracker". In fact I've used Endomondo since the Symbian days on my Nokia E71.

    My banking app works fine and is supported.

    I could go on. My point is, the platform is still my preferred platform, mainly due to the Start Screen/Live Tiles and UI. For me there is no app gap.

    Will a Surface phone change anything for me if it doesn't come out? Nope, not really. So long as MS stay committed to the platform, I'm happy.
     


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    Jeff.Bane Alpha Member #1480 - 2 months ago

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    brucebaker Alpha Member #258 - 2 months ago

    It's a shame, this is still the best mobile OS there is. I've been using a nexus 6p for 3 months and I still miss the features from my now broken window phone. RIP

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      richfrantz Alpha Member #2341 - 2 months ago

      Me too. Replaced my daily driver 1520 with a 6p I picked up on Amazon prime day. Whole lotta meh going on.

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    sjldk Alpha Member #2514 - 2 months ago

    I am really looking forward to these features. They are on my top wish list of Continuum improvements. Being able to use windowed mode is my number one wish. I also would like to see general performance improvements as it can be a bit slow from time to time.

    As an experiment, in our home, we have tried to embrace the idea of Continuum. We have set up "Continuum"-dock at the TV with a wireless keybord. We have a dock with a workstation-like setup in our home office. 

    If I need something done on the web - I just plug in my phone. If I need Youtube or casual surf on the web, I use the TV. If I need to sit and think I use the workstation setup. I really like this idea.

    My girlfriend only have her phone and use Continuum for her office needs. Continuum works perfectly for this scenario. The UWP apps there are fine for this sort of thing. I some times VPN from the home office using the phone and RDP against my office workstation. This is no different than from the pc.

    I had the opportunity to check out the Lapdock at the HP booth at a tech-show. I tried it with the Lumia 950 and it worked like a charm. So I might get this as an extra option. HP said it would be available (in Denmark) mid October. We'll see.

    I think it is important to actually use Continuum on a regular basis to really appreciate and understand what it is - and what it is not. The best comparison I have seen is "it's like a Chromebook, but with Edge" - an "EdgeBook" so to speak - with the added benefit of the UWP platform. That is the way I approach it. At least for now. I hope it will eventually mature into something "more" and these features is definitely in that category.

    Win32 app-compatiblity is not part of my idea of the future anyway. We have a few employees using Macs in the office and they RDP to our RDP-session-hosts for their Win32 apps - I see no reason why a Continuum device is any different here. I would much rather maintain an RDP session host than lots and lots of local installs of whatever software people use. Will it replace your PC? No - it will not - but Continuum (or a similar feature) is definitely worth considering for the above scenarios.

    I like the idea of only having one device and just plug it in where I need more screen space.

    My guess is that Continuum-like features in smartphones is what the future holds. I will bet that the competition has similar features in the pipeline and depending on how things turn out Continuum might be a head start for Microsoft in this space - or it might get run over whenever Google or Apple get around to doing the same thing. :-)

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    MixedFarmer75 Alpha Member #256 - 2 months ago

    I am having trouble getting excited about switching to Android.  I liked the promise of windows across all my devices.  I sometimes wonder if MS had not signaled their intent to the world they were giving up at the time UWP was roliing out, more developers might have gotten on board with WM10.  Probably not.  So many things I like about WM10.  I am not the captain of this boat though.  I am the rat.   Maybe I will like Google's Android so much I will start buying chromebooks and using Google docs.  There is something nice about keeping everything in the same ecosystem.

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      VonBrick Alpha Member #1377 - 2 months ago

      @MixedFarmer75

      I can honestly say that this happened with me and the Apple ecosystem.  I dreaded making the switch from Windows Mobile as I would then have an "unmatched" piece in was I saw as my "tech stack".

      Now?  iMessage and Facetime are how my family communicates now...phone calls are rare.  I just realized today that when I sit down wearing the Apple Watch and I watch the Mac automatically unlock, I smile a little. ;)  Family Sharing of all purchased content, AirPlay...it all work together (with an emphasis on "work").  Everything works as advertised and the Microsoft apps on iOS remain best in class...certainly better than their Windows 10 Mobile counterparts.

      I still miss Windows Phone something fierce...but once you are fully in the Apple ecosystem, you get it.  And, as much as I always thought I'd hate to say it, it truly is great to know I can rely on everything working together and Apple being there to support it all.

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      PhilipVasta Alpha Member #1662 - 2 months ago

      Yeah. For all the talk and promise of "one Windows," there really isn't much of a benefit to it from a consumer perspective, is there? Yet, Apple really has built what seems like a slick, seamless experience with Continuity. Speaking a bit more broadly, I found that when I switched to Android, I could agree with Paul when he talks about using the best tool for the job. Google Maps, for instance, is just amazing. Not so much in basic functionality, but in that it's 100 times more refined than HERE or Bing maps. Tons of thoughtful little things in features and UX design. The point is that once your eyes are opened to all the wonderful products out there - not just Microsoft's solutions - you're much more likely to just use the best option available.

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      MixedFarmer75 Alpha Member #256 - 2 months ago

      Yes, I have used those other products too, except the Mac.  Writing this on a an iPad Mini.  The first CPU my family bought had Windows 3.1 on it back in about 1990.   I could go all in on Apple except I am so comfortable using Windows.  I am tech savvy enough I know I could learn MacOS, but from the little I have played with it, not really interested.  In reality, I probably will continue to use a what makes sense for me.  I am just wondering if MS is being short sighted.  By giving up on W10M, I think they may concede a larger share of the consumer market than they intended to.  If I am using an iPhone, an iPad, it is pretty tempting, the next time I need a laptop or desktop, to buy a Mac.  The only real reason to buy a PC is for your job that might demand it of you.  Maybe the only place you will see Windows, in 10 years, will be in enterprise, and gamers.  Now that, is kind of a weird mix.  Maybe Normal people do not care what OS is on the device as long as it works, and it is only geeks like me that give this topic any thought. I actually prefer windows, it is just that WM10 does not get the smaller developers to build the apps, like your local business's app.

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    misterstuart Alpha Member #150 - 2 months ago

    They might as well give up. At this point, Microsoft is clearly just grasping at straws. Do you honestly think businesses will be able to get employees to use Windows phones after being used to using iOS and Android for so long? That will cause a backlash matched only by the Bolshevik revolution! Ok, ok...I kid, but there would be a LOT of pushback from folks if companies tried to force employees to use Windows phones. I truly wanted Windows Phone to succeed and was one of the first adopters. However, I learned within the first two years that it was just going to die slowly. At this point, it's just embarrassing to keep it around.

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      kitron Alpha Member #1895 - 2 months ago

      They need to stop this BS kill it and move on.  Nobody will use it even with improved Continuum because the remaining app support will be gone by the time RS2  is released.  I would only be able to run a couple of Office apps (which will be behind their Anroid/ios counterparts) so I would still have to carry 2 phones around.  Lets be frank here Nadella doesn't care about the mobile experience on Windows.

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    kitron Alpha Member #1895 - 2 months ago

    Microsoft's own employees are not using it and will not use it even when RS2 is completed. This is thing is done.

     

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      crmguru Alpha Member #2345 - 2 months ago

      I wouldn't beleive everything you read about the internal use.   Many Microsoft employees use WP.   

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    ponsaelius Alpha Member #1328 - 2 months ago

    So Windows 10 Mobile is reduced to a compiler option when they do a new build of Wndows 10.

    Windowsphone for business. Something Blackberry said about their products a while back. I would like to see some evidence that Microsoft are selling Windowsphone to anyone - business or consumer.

    Continuum tweaks are coming.

    Almost no-one in Microsoft uses a Windowsphone.

    Even if a new phone is coming in 2017 it will be business only, sold on Continuum and accessing "apps in the cloud".

    My reaction is this is not even remotely a strategy. It's not an attempt to interest anyone in the platform. It's just a statement of fact that while they have a compiler option to make Windows 10 Mobile they will. That's it.

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    FaustXD9 Alpha Member #882 - 2 months ago

    It is a very sad state of afairs with Windows Phone. Every time I look at the UI and do phone things with it I remember how good it really is. Then when I think about an app i want to run I am reminded that one might or might not exist. That makes me think of switching again. I thought about Google Fi, but it like the Google/Android ecosystem everyhting is designed to funnel my data for their use. I just can't get over that hurdle. I could switch to Apple, but it just does not work the way I think it should and I really don't like the UI.

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    plibken Alpha Member #916 - 2 months ago

    As this was a business event, it's normal they didn't talk about consumer features, right?

    What more business features did you expect, Paul?

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    jpr75 Alpha Member #1733 - 2 months ago

    Again, what a shame.   Microsoft really blew it with mobile phones.  As a former Windows phone owner and fan, I reluctantly dumped my  Lumia Icon for a Samsung Galaxy a year ago or so.  Android is crude, won't use anything Apple, miss my Windows phone, but it seems clear MS will not be resurrecting Windows Mobile/Phone for consumers.   Their Mobile focus seems to be on the enterprise now, and I don't get any warm and fuzzies they are even committed to that.  Bye, bye Windows Mobile/Phone.  We reserved you a spot at the Tech Graveyard in the coulda/shoulda section near OS2 when MS finally admits you are nothing more than a ghost of what could have been.

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      krabago Alpha Member #231 - 1 month ago
      In reply to jpr75:

      Your comments pretty much echo what I feel. Yesterday I finally decided it was time and ordered a Samsung Galaxy to replace my Lumia 950. I'm excited about getting on a platform that's well supported and having access to a plethora of apps but am also anxious about making the transition from the WM experience. Do you know of any guide(s) for former Windows Phone/Mobile fans moving on to Android?

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    Joe R Alpha Member #469 - 2 months ago

    Windows Phone dont go away mad Windows Phone just go away

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    Freezal Alpha Member #162 - 2 months ago

    The main problem I have is Microsoft does not even release it's own software as UWP for mobile.  How can you talk anyone else into supporting a platform you yourself do not support fully.  Having an "enterprise focused" phone means what?  Most enterprises are going BYOD and if you don't have support for all these consumer applications you are really saying we are government/security focused which translates into you needing to start removing cameras and disabling/stripping features out thast high security "enterprises" don't need.

    I think MS has a problem where they want the user experience to look and feel a certain way but have an issue that on Andriod and IOS they cannot replace the default.  So they have this mobile platform to show off a native integration story that no one will ever get.  I see the W10M platform as a marketing tool to sell a story/vision not to sell a device.

     

    Still kina sucks, cause I will need to switch, and anything I switch to will be a pale crappy shadow of what I have..... 

      

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    Waethorn Alpha Member #2235 - 2 months ago

    What "Ecosystem Momentum" can they possibly have from the Lumia line when they've killed all production of it?

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    WP7Mango Alpha Member #2513 - 2 months ago

    I think I can see what Microsoft is doing here, and it's a shot at the future. The clue is in one of the new Continuum features - Proximity Connect. Imagine a world where you can connect to screens everywhere - a shop window, a bus stop window, the window on your train, a window in your home, etc and all those windows work as screens. Now imagine that Continuum doesn't just work on phones, but also works on wearables, IoT devices, and AR glasses. Suddenly you are no longer tied to a hand-held device for your personal computing. And that is the future I think Microsoft is aiming for.
    The question is, why focus on enterprise? Well, I think there are two reasons -

    1. This kind of stuff is more likely to be adopted by enterprise first, because it needs the screens to be everywhere and it might be too expensive for consumers to adopt initially.

    2. By doing this in the enterprise space, Microsoft can fly under the consumer radar until it's actually consumer-ready, whilst keeping OEM partners on board and involved.
     
    In other words, I don't think this is about Windows Phone (in the long term) - I think this is about mobile computing. Satya talks about "mobile first, cloud first" and "the mobility of the experience", and this vision of the future fits with that.

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      PhilipVasta Alpha Member #1662 - 2 months ago

      I think you're right, but in it seems likely to me that Google or Apple will come up with their version of that, and it will catch on because people care about those companies. Microsoft has some great stuff, but people just seem so indifferent to things with the name Microsoft on them.

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    WP7Mango Alpha Member #2513 - 2 months ago

    Hmm, comments not working correctly. When I try to reply, it replies to the wrong person!!!

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    Ian Too Alpha Member #2128 - 2 months ago

    I've just found a new definition of meagre: How Microsoft treats its customers when it's no longer interested in their business.

    My first experience was when I spent £800 on a Surface RT on the promise of touch friendly versions of Office. My dream of a truely mobile writing solution remains unfulfilled and the Surface can join the iPad 2, 2 notebook PCs(one running Linux), a phone with Bluetooth keyboard and a couple of Windows Mobile PDAs on the scap heap.

    Now there's Windows Phone/Mobile and I invested in an HTC HD7, a Samsung Omnia W, a Lumia 920, 930 and now a 950XL. I won't say it was for nothing, because I have enjoyed using it and kudos to the old Windows Phone team for making something lively and different - you did a good job.

    But that leaves the question of the future: Nothing about the failure of Windows Phone/Mobile makes Android any more acceptable. I don't trust Google, while Google and Android fans have been such (Expletive Deleted)s than I don't want the association, thank you.

    Apple has three problems: too expensive, Apple drawing you in to a closed ecosystem all the time and iOS is frankly too dull. My iPad is painful to use, it just sits there waiting. For (Expleteive deleted)'s sake tell me the weather, but at least do something!

    A third option is a dumb phone and a small tablet. A Dell Venue Pro would give me the Live Tile experience I like and make it easier to read blogs etc than on the Lumia. I hope they make one with a SIM card.

    More immediately, I see no reason to be a Windows Insider any more. I was one of many who had to reset my phone and start from scratch and I don't see the point of all that hassle.

    I'm not going to rush into any decisions, but clearly I'm going to have to be more careful with Microsoft in future.

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    carlrhorn Alpha Member #1707 - 1 month ago

    You know its over when Microsoft employees arent even using their own products. I was so hopeful for a Surface phone with continuum that would run full Win32/x86 apps. I was always convinced if Microsoft would create a real high end phone capable of running full windows pc applications via continuum that it might save Windows Mobile. I just have to face the reality that this is just a pipe dream. Time to put this fantasy to bed. I guess the only question now is whether I go Android or iPhone. This truly is a sad time.

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    @iHeartInfoTech Alpha Member #545 - 1 month ago

    Due to circumstances beyond my control... I left the house today with just my test iPhone. I feel like I walked out on my 950 XL. I feel this Ignite Session shot an arrow through my heart. Paul, you've been right all along about Windows Mobile. At least we can share the sadness. Love the new site features.

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    [email protected] Alpha Member #945 - 2 months ago

    I have had the new HP Elite X3 for a month or so now. It is a beautiful piece of hardware, (with the exception of the silly silver speaker bar at the bottom.) It really showcases how equally beautiful the Windows 10 Mobile operating system is and the Windows Hello Camera is only topped of by the perfectly places Windows Hello Fingerprint Reader. It is no question the best phone I have ever owned.

    However, while it has most of the applications I need, I also alternate between carrying a second device, either a Apple iPhone or an Android device, especially when traveling. The reason, applications.

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    ssg1492 Alpha Member #2473 - 2 months ago

    This is such a shame best OS out there and I love there phones again such a shame

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    Tirith Alpha Member #419 - 2 months ago

    I see things like Continuum has the "future" of Low end laptop use.  its my phone i have it with me every where i go, but when I'm near a dock attached to a full keyboard\mouse and a display its my light wordstation or low end laptop.  my NexDock just arrived, and the only two thing i really wished it did, was USB-C connectivity, and wireless display.  But doing most things with it is nicer than trying to used the phone alone.

    Has these things get smaller and ligher and more effortless to use I don't see there being much more need for cheapo winbook\chrome book styped items.

    There will always been a need for a heavy hitter, like a Suface book or Macbook, but for most people I think this is the way forward.

    If Apple ever adds a Desktop\laptop like UI to a docked iOS-thing, that would get me to jump from Wm10 to iPhone.

    btw whats snapchat? ;)

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    Travis Alpha Member #692 - 2 months ago

    I find it a bit odd that there are two different comment sections on this redesigned site.  Hopefully they get merged into one.

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    glenn8878 Alpha Member #2387 - 2 months ago

    The updates seem fine and logical, but without Win32 support and Consumer focus, it is just dead in the water. Saying "limited future" does not appreciate Windows 10 Mobile's actual position in the market. It is annihilated.

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    darkgrayknight Alpha Member #2285 - 2 months ago

    It's interesting they say all the Win10M device OEMs are enterprise focused, when there are clearly those that are not. I don't expect them to push Windows 10 Mobile much for the next 2 years at least. Though I also don't expect them to totally kill it either. They need some mobile OS for UWP to actually mean something, so I expect that they'll eventually release a set of Surface phones after having a larger push toward developers to build UWP apps. Getting one's app on Windows PCs is probably worthwhile for a lot of apps, in the long run.

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    krabago Alpha Member #231 - 2 months ago

    Seems like this re-enforces the notion that I should ditch my Lumia 950 and abandon the windows mobile ship. Is anyone still have any excitement/enthusiasm for this platform?

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      darkgrayknight Alpha Member #2285 - 2 months ago

      Cortana is still high on the list of decent features. Also, the way Windows works is much to my liking. I still hope they'll continue making at least some reference hardware for phones going into the future and continue working on Windows 10 Mobile. I do expect a Surface phone at some point, but we're obviously not going to be moving to the top any time soon. UWP does at least lend more life to the platform, as at least those that have had apps in Windows Phone are putting UWP apps in now.

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    Chris_Kez Alpha Member #320 - 2 months ago

    If I could imagine for a minute that Windows Phone had never existed, and I was just reading about this new little offshoot of Windows 10 they were developing for the small screen then this would actually sound pretty cool. 

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    feinburg Alpha Member #917 - 2 months ago

    So Microsoft is thinking that businesses will get their employees to carry a Windows 10 Mobile device and their iPhone/Android. I don't see this happen anytime soon if they think it's for business users only.

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      plibken Alpha Member #916 - 2 months ago

      Business get their employees to carry Windows laptops and mobile devices, so why shouldn't they get their employees to carry (much lighter) Windows mobile devices and other android/iphone devices?

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      plettza Alpha Member #1558 - 2 months ago

      With the X3 Elite from HP, it can be ordered with dual-SIM so employees where I work will get the phone, a company SIM and then they slot in their own SIM if they want.

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      mebby Alpha Member #219 - 2 months ago

      Blackberry was used in my company as the supported (i.e., paid for) business phone for years. Once Blackberry was dead, they did not switch to Windows Mobile/Phone. Now my company (fully a user of the Microsoft ecosytem) is implementing a program so most employees can use their personal phones for business (and receive a monthyl stipend for the plan not the phone). Meaning nearly all will be using iPhone and Android phones. No plans to use Windows 10 Mobile devices as our corporate standard. None (maybe a few) of the 25,000 employees will go with anything but Android/iOS.

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    hrlngrv Alpha Member #100 - 2 months ago

    Windows Phones -- not as dead as Generalisimo Franco

    For those old enough to remember Chevy Chase as anchorman on Weekend Update on SNL.

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    beckerrt Alpha Member #2178 - 2 months ago

    Funny. Just read WindowsCentral's coverage of this same topic. Needless to say, they were way more enthusiastic. I was kind of intrigued as well, but yeah this will have very limited appeal. I just wish there were more hardware vendors on board. I mean come on - Viroyal? Arp? Okay.

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      hrlngrv Alpha Member #100 - 2 months ago

      Has anyone at Windows Central ever been less than enthusiastic about anything MSFT has made public about Windows Phones? The writers at Windows Central are as capable of annoyance at MSFT as Barney or Mr Rogers were to show annoyance towards children.

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    mebby Alpha Member #219 - 2 months ago

    "Microsoft is “still committed” to Windows 10 Mobile." Right! in a limited, essentially meaningless way. I understand the need to focus on Enterprise/business but they really should change the name to Windows Mobile for Business. And be prepared for more consumers to stop buying Windows along with many of their other products.

    I really like my SP4 and my 950XL, but I already have an Android phone (which I hate but will check out the Pixel or other flagship Android phone before the end of the year). And I am now thinking of using an Android or iOS tablet once my SP4 reaches its elder phase.

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    feek Alpha Member #1358 - 2 months ago

    I bought a lumia 950 yesterday. I was afully close to buying an iphone 7 because of basically already knowing what was in this article. The combination of MS's own unenthusiasm/ employees not using WP, and the general medicority of the 950 made it very difficult. I just couldn't quite bring myself to do it.

    I did do the 1 year new phone thing since I was afraid of being saddled with this 950 for long with a possible surface phone or WP no longer making any sense at all.

     

    ...Which it's dreadfully close to already. Why in the world would they consider putting out a Surface phone when they won't commit to improving the software platform that'll run on it? So far dragging it along with general W10 development has not been sufficient.

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    john.boufford Alpha Member #871 - 2 months ago

    I miss my Windows phone but will somebody at Microsoft call this product dead, the rest of the world has.  Between Mobile and the Band my level of trust for adopting new technology from Microsoft is dwindling.  Cortana? I rather take my chances with Alexa or Google.  Hololens? Prove to me first that you're truly invested and not going to quickly jump ship.

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    smurnin Alpha Member #1913 - 2 months ago

    I first became a fan of MS Lumia a few years back with the 1020 with 41MP camera. I hope they go big again someday and release a monster that rivals the specs of a One Plus, keeping with their tradition of a removable sd memory/battery. Go big or just die already.