It’s the day after the Windows 11 release, with 24hrs behind – let’s talk Windows 11.
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navarac
<p>TPM? – Just bought a chip and plugged it into the header. Sorted.</p><p><br></p><p>Thank you both for all the "articles" addressing the intro of Windows 11.</p>
ken10
<p>Those 14 pin modules will be horded and scalped</p>
ken10
<p>I have been a victim of buying into Internet hype. Nothing to see here. Turns out that Intel PTT is included in most Intel CPUs for almost 5-6 years now. PTT functions as a TPM built into the CPU. Most of the time you just need to activate it in your BIOS. I think they started including them with Coffee Lake processors.</p>
ken10
<p>btw. I confirmed this on my (Coffee Lake i7) Linux machine. lspcu | grep smx and POOF. there it was. smx is the cpu flag for the PTT.</p>
ken10
<p>AMD also has an equivalent on theirs.</p>
red.radar
Premium Member<p>Once the news circulates that you can use firmware based TPM in the cpu the scalping should stop</p>
bettyblue
<p>On my gaming PC it has an ASUS B550 motherboard and a AMD 3700x CPU. There was a BIOS option to enable TMP 2.0 that is OFF by default. Once I enabled that I ran the powershell command "get-rpm" and it said it was on. Prior to that running the command said "None".</p><p><br></p><p>I also ran the test from the Windows 11 site and it said I was good to go. I imagine these CPU TPM implementation has been around a while but I also bet its turned off by default in most computers. Linux will not install with it ON and since until now Windows would with it off the OFF default probably made sense to computer makers.</p><p><br></p><p>You will not need a TPM chip for your motherboard if you have a somewhat modern CPU. I believe Intel 8th generation or higher can do this as well. Those started to come out in late 2017, and mostly in 2018.</p>
bettyblue
<p>Since I can’t edit my posts, the powershell command to verify TPM is…</p><p><br></p><p>get-tpm</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>
dftf
<p>It will be interesting to see what happens now with Windows 10 going-forwards: will there still be new features added, or is it just bug-fix and security-fixes now until Oct 2025?</p>
barryzee
<p>So, speaking as a build your own….TPM can be a bigger deal because as Brad said Midlevel motherboards down only have a TPM header and not the chip. Unfortunately, unlike navarac, my 6 year old Gigabyte motherboard which boots on Win10 in 21 sec and keeps up fine with everything I throw at it, no longer seems to have the TPM 2 modules available. So, using the Jerry Pournelle concept of good enough and hoping for an extension of support past 2025, I guess I will continue to live in Windows 10 and use Stardock to change things around as they come out with new capabilities.</p>
navarac
<p>For reference, my Gigabyte Aorus z370 motherboard was installed in my self-build in July 2018. The TPM 2.0 module was bought from ScanUK this last week and fitted 21 Jun 21 after the leaked W11 build would not install. If Windows 11 doesn’t suit, I shall remove the module and stay on W10 for the gaming rig. (My other PC and laptop SP3 are on Debian Linux. Less upheaval all the time).</p>
Maverick010
<p>Gigabyte boards still have the TPM available. The module itself is universal for just about all boards that support TPM 2.0. Right now it may seem hard to find due to the chip shortage that is hitting just about everything. Check Amazon, CDW, Walmart.com (Yes even they seem to carry them), and Best Buy. I am not sure if Micro Center might have them too, but you could check them as well.</p>
nbplopes
<p>I must say that Satya closing speech was one of the best I’ve seen this decade on creators and customers. So pertinent, so inspiring. </p><p><br></p><p>”An ecossystem that stands for stands for sovereignty for creators and agency for consumers”</p><p><br></p><p>A strike contrast to the one of Apple based on playing with peoples insecurities in a world that they fell more insecurity. Where peoples agency and creators sovereignty is being trimmed to fit a misguided concept of security based on one ruler to rule it all.</p><p><br></p><p>PS: Panos, Panos … maybe it is just me … but your communication style always makes me feel that I’m somewhat being manipulated … leave your family home … please.</p>
polloloco51
<p>Windows 11 will be the new Windows Vista, if Microsoft doesn’t eliminate these asinine requirements! I ran the PC Health checker on my ThinkPad T470 with an I5-7300, and Dell XPS 8700 with an I7-4770. It said, both PCs cannot run Windows 11, despite running Windows 10 perfectly.</p><p><br></p><p>This is ridiculous to the highest levels! Microsoft should be ashamed of themselves! I truly hope they fix this before launch. It will be a complete disaster! </p>
navarac
<p>It’s probably a conspiracy to sell more hardware IMO. Everyone needs to be careful of a backlash from people unwilling to buy new PCs. After all, they have resisted for many years already. Or they say "stuff it" and go and buy a Chromebook. Just saying.</p>
polloloco51
<p>If this is Microsoft’s new strategy, they must have a horrible leadership team in charge. Any company with good leadership, would see how silly these requirements, and course correct. The TPM and processor requirements, will nix an ocean of current Windows PCs. </p><p><br></p><p>I hope Microsoft smartly reconsiders these unrealistic requirements! Otherwise, Windows 11, will be the new Windows Vista. People going out to buy a PC, and finding out, it’s not Windows 11 capable or ready. It is just frankly ridiculous! </p>
geoff
<p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">"People going out to buy a PC, and finding out, it’s not Windows 11 capable or ready. It is just frankly ridiculous!"</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Anyone who goes out and buys a new PC will find that they now have a PC that *can* run Windows 11. No matter what (new) PC they buy, it will run Windows 11.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Anyone who has bought a new PC in the last 5 years or so will find that that PC can run Windows 11.</span></p><p><br></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">This noise will quieten down soon enough. </span></p>
polloloco51
<p>The main problem, is not as much new PCs as it is current PCs. Microsoft has placed, extremely narrow requirements to run Windows 11. The processor requirements and TPM will nix a mountain of current computers. Including Microsoft’s premium Surface line. Leaving them stuck with Windows 10 indefinitely. I truly hope Microsoft course corrects. </p>
zakand
<p>My (not so) bold prediction is that because of these requirements, in one year the market share of non-Windows PCs (Mac, Chrome, Linux) will skyrocket and be at least triple the peak share Win11 will ever achieve. </p>
bettyblue
<p>Just read a post over at MSpoweruser. Their is a CPU list that Microsoft published that shows all of the CPU’s that will run it. </p><p><br></p><p>None of the sky lake or KabyLake CPU’s are on the list. The 6700/7700 was super popular with gamers. Granted they are older now but are probably in lots of gaming PC’s that have seen recent GPU and/or M.2 SSD upgrades to keep them going. </p><p><br></p><p>just not on Windows 11 :(</p>
Maverick010
<p>Both my main custom built Multimedia Gaming PC with an AMD Ryzen 9 5900X on a Gigabyte Aorus X570 Xtreme v1.1 Motherboard and my Son’s custom built Gaming PC with an AMD Ryzen 9 3900X and MSI MEG X570 Godlike motherboard, both have TPM 2.0 modules as I bought them practically on day 1 of getting the board for the secure boot and security features they provide, plus the price was cheap enough considering the boards were 600+ alone. Great investment after seeing the Windows 11 announcement. </p><p><br></p><p>I also saw some where that Microsoft required OEMS to include the TPM 2.0 module by default on PCs made from 2016 onward. I think by having it disabled by default is helping to cause the confusion when the health check app was running….Now on the other hand, I want to know why a CPU/APU from 3-4yrs is not valid, when rest of system meets requirements as I have 3 HP Envy X360 Laptops with Ryzen 5 2500U/Ryzen 7 2700U APUs that were purchased about 2-3yrs ago…. </p>
garym11
<p>do agree. all these requirements are going to cause people to say screw it.i will stick with windows 10 an to hell with what windows and microsoft thinks. that is going to be the outrage. ther wil lbe a downfall in pc sales ot other platfomr if ms continues down this road andd path to locking people into purchasing ps in order ot be compliant wit hx or y requirement in the future. </p>