Windows Weekly 531: B is for Broadwell

Posted on August 17, 2017 by Paul Thurrott in Podcasts, Windows Weekly with 1 Comment

In the first episode of Windows Weekly recorded from my new home in Pennsylvania, Leo, Mary Jo and I discuss my blockbuster scoop about Surface device reliability.

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Tips and picks

Tip of the week: You can finally edit contacts in Outlook for Android/iOS

Yep, it’s really here.

App pick of the week: OneDrive for iOS

OneDrive for iOS has been “rewritten”, Microsoft says, and they’ve added major new features.

Also: ShareX is now in the Windows Store

Enterprise pick of the week: Coco Framework

Hey, blockchain fans: There’s a new cross-platform framework coming from Microsoft called Coco that’s meant to make using blockchain in the enterprise easier

Codename pick of the week: Ice Lake

You’ve heard of Coffee Lake (Intel 8th gen). And Cannon Lake. But what about Ice Lake? Here’s a good Anandtech article to help those puzzling over Intel’s chip codenames.

Beer pick of the week: Victory Prima Pils

I’m not the world’s biggest pils fan, but if you want a nice easy drinking summer beer, you could do worse than Victory Prima Pils from Victory Brewing from Paul’s new home state.

Mark your calendars!

Windows Weekly is coming to Microsoft Ignite in Orlando, and we’re having a meetup the day before the show! Tuesday Sept. 26 — Starts 6 pm no RSVP at World of Beer/Dr. Phillips. (Thanks to Gary Pretty for all the legwork for this one!)

 



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One response to “Windows Weekly 531: B is for Broadwell”

  1. nbplopes

    I don't use Windows 10 S and personally I will probably never will. If I wanted something like an iPad Pro or a Chromebook I would buy either of those and I would be better served, I honestly believe that. When I get a Windows PC I want Windows and for me that is Windows 10 Pro. Simple.


    But there is case for Windows 10 S in its current form. There are hundreds of millions of people that are hooked on Windows, for one reason or another and for sure a huge amount of those don't use the underlying power of a Windows 10 Pro apart from installing their favorite x32 apps.


    What Paul is saying is that the challenge of Windows 10 S for the general population is UNCERTAINTY of usefulness coupled with the fact that its costs the same has Windows 10 Pro (That is what MS told people when it launched with Surface Laptop). How much it costs? No one knows, no one. People think it should cost less, considering that they can do less with it that Windows 10 Pro, but no ones knows how much it costs. All people know is that MS seams to want it to be installed in any PC device, from lower end to high end and have people paying for the upgrade to Pro directly to them, even this is not certain because OEMs are selling Windows 10 Pro devices at the same price if not less than the ones with Windows 10 S.


    Personally I will never pay more than a $1000 for laptop without Windows Pro considering the catalog of Windows Store now and will be in the medium to long run. I bet only people with very little rationale in the decision would be willing.


    So its UNCERTAINTY from top to bottom with no added value. No added value!!!! More secure? Maybe, this is also UNCERTAIN. But what we do know for sure is that it runs less Windows apps and within this set the probability of the apps I need to be in this set huge. That we know. That is the only thing we know.


    Something like Windows 10 S needs a different business model around it rather than OS licensing. Its needs to attract developers to it as well a users. At the center of Windows 10 S its the mandatory Windows Store and no app side loading. So reason would say that the business model should be around the Windows Store, not the OS. A disruptive and innovative approach would be MS offering Windows 10 S for free. Yes, actually allowing anyone to download and install it with no additional cost. Clearly, no UNCERTAINTY. Develop some kind of software that would detect system compatibility ...


    People would pay for Windows 10 S by buying apps from the Windows Store or subscribing to Microsoft Services such as Office 365. Enterprises by unlocking enterprise features such the ability to join Active Directory both on prem and Azure.


    I bet that Apple does much much much more money with their App Store than MS does with either Windows Bing or Windows Home.


    Its a bit like the Gillet model, sell the razor at "loss" and win win win by selling the blades.


    What it not serious is asking people to pay Premium for less that people are used to pay. Which is the case of the Surface Laptop and that seam to be moving forward with this idea ... soon both Surface Pro and Surface Books will come with Windows 10 S installed and .... Apple and Google will be quite happy as consumers give them the finger. OEMs do not seam to know what to do with Windows 10 S either.


    Yes, MS have for sure metrics, loads of them, maybe too much, but considering the latest CR fiasco, does MS have an internal organization in place to actually read them clearly? Or are they internally just looking at their backs all the time, pushing metrics to look well? Not even Nadella knew what was going on, he needed to ask a Partner. Just speculating here ... but its nevertheless weird.


    PS: Apple may be secretive about what it does internally. From products to partnerships, the all thing. Paul seams to be implying there is something dishonest about this, don't know why. How private a corporation wants to be does not imply that is more or less honest doing business. What I do know is that when Apple talks to its customers, partners and so on, its quite clear. There is no buts, there is no swamps, very few gray areas, for the good and for the bad, it is what it is. It easier to deal with this rather than things that move all the time, secret pricing, secret value propositions, uncertain fixing dates, white lies about metrics, renaming of programs, repackaging for the same stuff made to look brand new ... so on and so forth ...






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