A Microsoft support document has been edited to explain that support for Windows 10 Home and Pro ends on October 14, 2025. This is the first time Microsoft has ever described the end of support for Windows 10; previously, it documented only when specific Windows 10 versions would leave support.
This may literally mean that the “Next Generation Windows” that Microsoft will reveal next week is, in fact, not Windows 10, at least from a marketing/branding perspective. And that it will be named Windows 11, Windows Sun Valley, or some other name not related to Windows 10.
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The support document now notes that Windows 10 Home and Pro entered support on July 29, 2015, and that will exit support on October 14, 2025. That’s an interesting timeframe, when you think about it, because it matches up exactly to the 10-year support lifecycle that Microsoft maintained for previous Windows versions.
<p>Honestly, I wont miss Windows 10. This was a strange OS. I hope for a better Windows 11. </p>
<p>Windows 11 will be to Windows 10 what 7 was to Vista. Tinker with the UI and rebadge it to remove the stigma. </p>
<p>And hopefully remove ads and all the other crap.</p>
<p>Personally I think it will only get worse. Just take that weather/news krap they just added to the taskbar as proof. We could not download the ADMX files fast enough at work to shut that stuff off.</p>
<p>I removed the ads where I could with Fedora or PoP_OS where it was possible.</p>
<p>Wait, I thought windows 10 was supposed to correct the disaster that was Windows 8x.</p>
<p>Say what you will about Windows 8.1, after you installed classic shell and turned off a few things, it was a hell of a lot faster than Windows 7 and super light.</p>
<p>That was my experience as well. I really thought it was more of a PR disaster than a really bad OS, even 8.0 could be tweaked, I ran Start 8 and had no issue at all.</p>
<p>You have a lot of hope. I think Windows 11 is going to be 99.9999% Windows 10 with the GUI (or most of it) from the failed Windows X. Basically lipstick on a pig.</p>
<p>Paul, typo: 2025 not 2015 in the text. </p>
<p>OK sorry, my mistake. 🙂 Forget it. </p>
<p>Microsoft. The more things change the more things stay the same.</p><p>And they wonder why nobody takes anything they say seriously anymore </p>
<p>Well, if they change the name to something other than Windows, then "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows" is true. Hmmm…. ;)</p>
I was at Duke Publishing (later Penton) when Microsoft announced Windows 2000 and we renamed Windows NT Magazine to Windows 2000 Magazine. Then 2000 was replaced by XP and we renamed it to Windows & .NET Magazine. And then .NET wasn’t such a big deal and Microsoft stopped renaming everything to x.net so we renamed it to Windows IT Pro Magazine. I was like, guys, they’re just going to kill the name Windows and then we’re really screwed.
<p>Well that answers a few questions…. hmmm, clearly we’ve got a proper new version of windows incoming. Considering how long its release lifecycle will be its likely to have more than just UI/icon changes…. </p><p><br></p><p>I think Mary Jo’s comments on an Xbox/gaming/consumer version might be closer to the mark than I originally thought watching Windows weekly… and Surface is due a hardware refresh on the older format models too…. </p><p><br></p><p>here’s hoping MS deliver something more than just a (boring) enterprise windows 11 version… :-)</p>
<p>Microsoft on Windows 10 launch: "Windows 10 is the last version of Windows." Either it was a great lie, utter incompetence or Windows is killed on October 14, 2025.</p>
<p>I don’t feel it was a lie, nor do I think it was incompetence, but a sign that Microsoft’s vision of what Windows is has changed. There are a lot of reasons for that, from the realization that this “as a service” strategy didn’t work as well as they thought, the COVID era reminding the world (and Microsoft) that Windows still matters, and perhaps a signal that Windows is no longer in the Terry Myerson era. </p><p><br></p><p>I suppose one could argue they never should have made that statement, but I am happy to see them taking a step forward with Windows instead of demoting it to a legacy product in a glorified maintenance mode. </p>
<p>Paul and Mary explained this one on their podcast. Microsoft never said that Windows 10 was the last version of Windows.</p>
<p>Verge: <span style="color: rgb(66, 66, 66);">"Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because </span><a href="http://www.theverge.com/2015/7/28/9045331/microsoft-windows-10-review" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(226, 18, 122);">Windows 10</a><span style="color: rgb(66, 66, 66);"> is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist</span><a href="https://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Ignite/2015/BRK2352" target="_blank" style="color: rgb(226, 18, 122);"> speaking at the company’s Ignite conference</a>…”</p>
I don’t think we can hold up Jerry as "the voice of Microsoft." This was definitely a view that people within Microsoft held, but I’m not sure there is an example of an actual voice of Microsoft, e.g. an executive, saying this publicly. I say that only because I was sure that Terry Myerson HAD said it, at some event. But I guess that didn’t happen.
<p>So I wonder what the hardware requirements will be for this new Windows. Will they make it free for all who have older versions of Windows? I wonder if they’ll continue to let Windows 7 and 8.1 product keys update to Windows 10 until July 2025 for free? since its still a supported OS. You know its gonna be a real problem for this desktop when I decide to update to Windows 10. I have a NVidia GForce 210, and you can’t buy a graphics card now. PNY, but is that any good? I only need it to support PCIE 2. From what I’ve read, Windows 10 won’t support this card, although I haven’t tried running the upgrade assistant on this box either. Honestly for me, the bear minimum would do just fine as I don’t game, and just need one because this processor doesn’t have graphics built in. Oooo boy. I’m blind so the monitor is used only when someone have to see the screen for some reason which isn’t often. </p>
<p>Wonder if the next version of Windows will be a free upgrade for those on Windows 10, and if Dev channel insiders will get to try out this new version eventually?</p>
<p>I run Win 8.1 on unsupported cpu and gpu. I get a warning on the desktop screen that I click through and have no problems other than the gpu drivers never updating. </p>
<p>Windows 10 supports the Geforce 210, albeit not with the latest nvidia drivers, I think the last drivers that supports it is on version 342. Windows Update installs it correctly though.</p>
<p>Maybe they’ll release Windows 9. They’ve been secretly working on it for years, after releasing Windows 10 as a stop gap, and it’ll be awesome. ;)</p>
<p>I like it. Or maybe “Windows 10 2”</p>
<p>now your talking…. two steps forward, then one back in release numbering! I like it.</p>
<p>It’s just a number ?</p>
<p>The best news would be if they announced the end of the NT kernel and a Windows user space that runs on top of Linux. 😛 Something like Wine but official and fully supported. I mean, you can run a Linux user space on top of Windows these days, and I know many people who would love to have it the other way round because most of the tools they use reside on the Linux side. But, sure, that’s not going to happen.</p><p><br></p><p>So, what else will be in the box except for a name change? Windows is done since ten years, most of the visible features introduced after Windows 7 just bloated it up and were gimmicks. The whole UI is now a mess from a failed touch-keyboard/mouse-strategy, a lot of wasted white space, missing color and professional functionality. Strategy-wise, Windows 10 is kind of a train wreck like Longhorn back in 2004.</p>
<p>Changing the kernel and supporting modules to Linux would make zero sense since technologically the NT kernel is more advanced. Microsoft could have built off Unix way back (they had their own version) but the decision was made to do better.</p><p><br></p><p>…it’s always been what’s built on top that had caused any problems!</p>
<p>Except for supporting other filesystems. NTFS is good, but for video editing XFS is significantly faster. F2FS is fantastic on flash memory devices. A lot of the internal APIs in the Windows kernel assume FAT if there is no security descriptor and NTFS if there is. Adding support for other filesystems at this point is almost impossible, but if they could do something like this it would remove my only draw to Linux. I use OpenShot on Linux with XFS because editing 4k video is so much faster and smoother. I would love to have that experience on Windows.</p>
<p>Do you adjust the allocation unit size when creating the volume? That can make a big IO difference for high-sequential throughput applications like video editing. There are also a handful of other optimizations (write cache enabling, etc.), but some of those are not necessarily handled at the FS layer.</p><p><br></p><p>ReFS is their "modern" FS, but it’s more optimized for virtual workloads. Metadata operations can be much faster, but raw throughput not so much (though I’ve not found that to be an area where NTFS is particularly lacking). </p>
<p>Three letters: DLL. "Oops there’s a security problem with DLL #50,001. Let’s patch it! Oops, that broke Windows component #32,006 that uses that DLL too. Let’s patch it! Oops that broke Exchange, SQL etc…." </p><p><br></p><p>*Nix operating systems "advantage" isn’t the kernel, it’s that the packages & libraries that turn the kernel into an Operating System are relatively simple, well understood & can update independently. </p>
<p>"DLL hell" is a problem that was resolved a longggg time ago (WinSxS etc.). And I would hardly describe the underlying issue as unique to Windows, anyway (e.g., see Linus talk about why desktop Linux has never taken off).</p>
<p>Agreed. Every other OS is basically some form of NIX (UNIX/Linux). Windows is the only stand out today.</p>
<p>Windows is the last stand against a *NIX hegemony. NT is a more advanced platform, but it’s surprising how little is known about the internals in the *NIX and academic camps–which is partly why the view that *NIX is inherently better so prevalent. </p>
So Windows is basically the Firefox of operating systems? 🙂 Great.
<p>As delightful as it sounds to change the kernel to some *NIX flavor… I actually think it is easier to bring linux to windows. It’s not just the win32 layer but also Direct-X. </p><p><br></p><p>I think that is why Microsoft went down the path of WSL, the new windows terminal, and what appears to be a new packaging system. It looks like they are going to bring the best of Linux to windows. </p><p><br></p><p>the only other reason I want a *NIX kernel is for control. I want complete control of when my machine takes updates. I don’t want the cloud or central authorities forcing updates and I don’t want the special enterprise edition that only does that with special tools. But this has little to do with the kernel and more with how the distribution is managed. Even Microsoft could move to a *NIX kernel and figure out ways to limit flexibility.</p>
<p>FOSS people: Come to *nix, you will have freedom. :)</p><p>Normal people: No, I want my Windows. I have the freedom of choice.</p><p>FOSS people: Wait, that’s illegal!</p><p><br></p><p>FOSS people don’t understand (or pretend it) that users have freedom to use, like and tinker with other things that is not *nix. Looks like you must use a Linux/Unix/BSD kernel, or you are doing it wrong. F*ck off lunatics! Just use whatever suits you.</p><p>It would be more beneficial if NT were open-sourced, so we have even more freedom to study and modify it. Choice and variety are great, like competition on an open market!</p>
<p>I bought a new PC last year in May before the pandemic really started to screw things up … and I have a really nice, working, stable Windows 10 install with all my stuff. I wonder if installing the new version of Windows on top of 10 will be seamless. Sigh … I’m not in the mood to reinstall gigabytes of stuff, games/dev tools/music plugins, etc. ‘Course, I’ve done it many times before. Should be used to this by now. And I love my machine, I don’t want to buy a new one yet.</p>
<p>Take that feeling and apply it to thousands of PC’s for your corporate desktop support teams. Windows 10 is finally giving them enough control like Windows 7 did and now its end is around the corner.</p>
<p>Is four years from now “around the corner” in the IT world?</p>
<p>There’s no chance that this will be a major change. The name change will be for branding. They tried to embrace Apple’s/Google’s methodology, but couldn’t follow through.</p><p><br></p><p>What exactly could they significantly change at this point? Unless they port to VR, there’s no major feature or even small collection of features that would make this a ‘new’ OS, which is why Mac OS, IOS, Chrome, Android, Fire, etc just have annual updates.</p>
<p>I find myself worried about the 24th. I’m sure that Microsoft will unveil more lipstick on the pig and completely ignore that the pig is being smothered under all the cheap lipstick.</p><p><br></p><p>The next version of Windows, whatever form it takes, will be chock full of Microsoft’s "flavour of the day" of how they think we should be using our computers…which of course not one person will be onboard with…and so the cycle will perpetuate.</p><p><br></p><p>I want a stable platform on which to conduct my life. Windows hasn’t been that very a very long time. Unfortunately, I’m stuck with it for a variety of reasons. Personally, I’m fullyy capable and willing to break the Windows dependence, but others in my family, whom I must support, are not. So, I’m stuck.</p><p><br></p><p>It’s truly unfortunate that it’s come to this.</p>
<p>I too am somewhat trepidacious of what is coming. To be fair to Microsoft, I dont want to judge too harshly before I can actually see what they are offering – eeverything right now is just speulation – but I am healthily sceptical. I too can make the move to LInux or MacOS, but as the "family IT support" – I’ll end up having to have at least a modest hand in. Work is work, so little I can do there.</p><p><br></p><p>For me – I think as long as I can use Powershell to uninstall what I dont want/need and turn off features with Group Policy, I’ll be OK. If this is "your PC is just a client for the cloud" or they hide the OS behind a subscription paywall, I’ll be done.</p>
<p>This was the original end of support date given in 2015, but nobody cared much about it back then since they said it was the last version… Then they moved to the 18/30 months support for updated versions, now they are reintroducing that original date, which is in line with the around 10 year support of previous versions of Windows…</p><p>The big question is will it a free update/upgrade? If not will they give a "free window" like they did in 2015? And will they stop support for older hardware (so far the only hardware that lost support was Atom Clovertrail)</p>
<p>That is the answer I am waiting for. If it will be free as they promised when they announced "the last version of Windows" </p>
<p>The strange thing about this date going around is that 2025 is a date that’s apparently been stated since the beginning. Here’s a few articles from 2015 mentioning the year</p><p><br></p><p>https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-support-microsoft-confirmed-last-until-october-14-2025</p><p>https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-commits-to-10-year-support-lifecycle-for-windows-10/</p><p><br></p><p>Is this actually new, or a strange labeling Microsoft has that isn’t entirely clear?</p>
It just appeared on that particular site. And to my knowledge and/or memory, this is the first time Microsoft has ever broadly stated that "Windows 10," not "some version of Windows 10, original version or otherwise," would end support.
<h1>All editions of Windows 10 get 10 years of updates, support</h1><p><strong style="color: rgb(127, 127, 127);">Computerworld | </strong><strong style="color: rgb(178, 178, 178);">JUL 17, 2015</strong></p><p>https://www.computerworld.com/article/2949230/all-editions-of-windows-10-get-10-years-of-updates-support.html#:~:text=Windows%2010%20will%20be%20supported%20for%20five%20years%20in%20%22mainstream%22%20support%20until%20Oct.%2013%2C%202020%2C%20and%20then%20another%20five%20years%20in%20%22extended%22%20support%20until%20Oct.%2014%2C%202025.</p><p><br></p>
<p>Windows 10, "the last version of Windows", will end in 2025, so that we can provide you a new coat of lipstick on an old pig and create some marketing momentum!</p>
<p>As long as I get there (!), I’ll be 80 in 2025 – and beyond caring anymore about Windows. It’s been a very good run, but I don’t think Windows has ever fully recovered from the abomination that was Windows 8. </p>
<p>I run multiple Windows 10 installations and don’t recognise the naysayer comments at all…. Has been very stable on all installations but then I do look after it. </p>
<p>Windows 10 has been stable but it hasn’t made significant progress over the previous version. The Start Menu & Taskbar aren’t great. The live tiles, Cortana, and even the new weather/news bit have all been meh. The Control Panel vs Settings is still a mess after 6 years. Windows Updates can still be problematic, particularly during new builds. There’s been the controversial telemetry collection. It’s all the little things that add up and keep folks from loving Windows 10</p>
<p>…also the advertising, the advertising ID, the early unexpected reboots for updates at little to no notice, also the continuation of dialog boxes under the lipstick that are Windows 9x-era. The near invisibility of scrollbars that have become extremely narrow. Just a few additional items.</p>
<p>I think I’ll join you as part of the minority here who don’t think Windows 10 was is a bad OS. My experience with it has been good. </p>
<p>When I think of Windows 10, I recall how much fun it was to follow — mostly on Windows Weekly — the coverage of Windows as it progressed from Windows 7 to the mysterious Windows 8 to the "remedial" Windows 8.1 and 8.11 to the promise of Windows 10. Now on to Windows 11. Many thanks to Leo, Paul, and Mary Jo! </p>
<p>Yes, Windows Weekly has been one of the consistent bright spots over the years</p>
🙂 thank you
<p>I follow Paul since the Longhorn days, and in regard to Microsoft, I’m still chasing that high… I was so optimistic with it, I even got the leaked versions and everything! Things have been rocky, and Windows 10 is definitely the high point since, but no version has come close to it in terms of real excitement. We weren’t burned by XP overstay yet, so it was possible to be fully onboard with Microsoft’s promises back them.</p><p>Now I got nostalgic…</p>
The Longhorn reveal in 2003 was definitely the high. And then came the crash.
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<p>I feel like W10 was just starting to arrive on the UI and they will now throw it out for something "new". I just hope this is not a Windows ME or Vista or W8 version.</p><p><br></p><p>Maybe they will keep. W10 mode so its skinned so we in IT can make it look the same. I know this is will not sell PC as Paul and Mary Jo point out but for us having the where is the Start menu questions could use this.</p>
If it’s just a UI refresh, you could look at it as Windows 7 was to Windows Vista. And … that was a great release.
<p>’Windows 10 would be <em>the last Windows</em> if we couldn’t make it <strong>so much better</strong>, and now we have. <strong><em>Windows Whatever!</em></strong>'</p><p><br></p><p>The workhorse may get a new name, but the stable will still need to be shoveled out just as often.</p>
<p>If Windows is delivered “as a service”, why are there no SLA’s for when automated maintenance functions inevitably f* everything up?</p>
<p>I’m really enjoying this speculation about Windows 11. </p><p><br></p><p>Personally, I can’t wait for the first appearance of a third-party product to ‘Restore Windows back to how it was in the good old days of Windows 10’. </p><p><br></p><p>(Alleged) Microsoft fans will say that they yearn for the ‘best Windows ever’ of Windows 10, and how that Microsoft lost their way with Windows 11, and is surely going on a short path to bankruptcy now that Windows has been messed up. Nostalgia for Windows 10 will be everywhere. </p><p><br></p><p>CNET will have ‘Make Windows 11 look more like Windows 10’ how-to guides. Of course they will.</p><p><br></p><p>I’ve seen this since the dawn of Windows ("bring back DOS!" and "I will NEVER use a mouse!") and the high points were, well, every minor and major Windows release since then. This conversation never gets old.</p>
<p>If Windows truly was a service then whatever this update ends up as – it should remain free. </p><p><br></p><p>I don’t see the purpose in renaming the OS just for finally getting around to polishing and finishing their UI, unless they’re also adding some type of functionality not possible in the previous version. Who knows if Microsoft will do enough to warrant a name change; maybe Android app support or something equally crazy is in there (but I doubt it). </p><p><br></p><p>One thing’s for sure, every single tech website is convinced the name will change, but no one can explain what justifies that other than polish. It feels so superficial. Is there truly a change in there that would cause people hesitation to update? If what you suggest is true, there better be.</p>
<p>How about <strong>Windows 365 </strong>for a new name? Pay for a subscription and away you go…</p>
<p>That is exactly what I’m afraid of. Since Windows is legacy to most people within Microsoft, the only way to keep it relevant within the company is to tie it to Azure somehow. Windows 365 is more likely than most people realize.</p>
<p>Finally, some clear direction from Microsoft. Does everyone remember the big kerfuffle a few years ago around Windows 10 support being tied to the "life of the device"? What a wonderfully nebulous phrase that just invited all kinds of speculation.</p>
They literally had no idea what they were doing.
<p>I have been reading about all the "bad things" windows 10 and I keep thinking, what’s all the fuss about? I have been using windows since about 1990 and in all that time I have been using the internet, getting email, shopping, playing games, reading the news, etc. Please tell me what windows is doing wrong. People complain about what its named or called and I say "who cares" it works. Sure it has some things that aren’t perfect. But think about it. isn’t it a miracle that any of it works. We have become spoiled. We expect it to do everything WE want and have forgotten what a wonder of engineering it is. Can any one tell me why it works? I don’t think so. Oh there are some that understand and can comprehend the actual binary bits but not most of us, Including myself. I don’t complain I just thank Microsoft and get work done.</p>
The dictator appreciates your blind support.
<p>I’m assuming unlike the 1 year free upgrade from Win 7/8.1 to Win 10 there will be no time limitation to Win 11. Otherwise you will have a bunch of unhappy campers.</p><p>I’m hoping Sun Valley is just a "code name". Would be the dumbest name.</p>
<p>Yea, though I walk through the valley of the sun, I shall fear no UI…</p>
<p>I’m guessing this bit of news is a reason to think the speculation from MJF about the "new" version being released and maintained alongside Windows 10 is probably not going to turn out to be true.</p>
<p>I thought this date was only for the LTSB version of the original Windows 10 release, as other LTSC versions later for versions 1607 & 1909 (also Server 2016/2019) were released after July 2015 and were promised 10 years of support. Unless Windows 10 Enterprise & the LTSB/LTSC versions are treated separately. </p>
<p>Interesting timeline there, makes sense when you look at life support cycles of other windows version as you mentioned so not completely unexpected given that we are on the cusp of a new version of Windows 11 or whatever and hopefully ad free. Microsoft has a golden opportunity here to fix a lot of the missteps of Windows 10 which on the hole has been very good over it’s life so far apart from a few caveats.</p>
<p>Most important thing I expected from the new Windows, apart from the UI, is more perfomance, speed and responsiveness doing the same that Apple do with Big Sur on M1 chips, using exclusive one core for the OS and the rest for programs. Take note that new AMD and future Intel processors use big littles designs for our CPU’s.</p><p><br></p><p>A change like this in the kernel means a lot of differences and some compatibility problems between Windows 10 and Sun Valley that Microsoft is now referencing is some support notes. </p>
<p>I take offence to anyone that says WIN11 is a free upgrade. How many computers purchased with WIN10 does not have the TPM requirement of WIN11? My computer fits this description, so if I want to upgrade to WIN11, it means a new computer – not free. I hope there is a public outcry about this marketing trick. How many Black Fridays sales are going to dump these non-TPM WIN10 computers onto unsuspecting consumers?</p>