New Windows 11 Build Arrives with App Updates

Posted on August 12, 2021 by Paul Thurrott in Windows 11 with 71 Comments

Microsoft has delivered Windows 11 build 22000.132, but the bigger news is a set of Windows 11-inspired app updates. Unfortunately, they appear to be mostly cosmetic and not the completely reimagined Mail and Calendar apps, in particular, that we’ve needed for years.

Windows 11 build 22000.132 is heading out to Windows Insiders in the Dev and Beta channels, a first, and those in the slower-moving Beta channel now have their first opportunity to test the Chat from Microsoft Teams (which may or may not be the official name; the Insider blog posts are notoriously inaccurate). And users in both channels can take advantage of Teams-based audio and video calling, including with groups, for the first time.

That’s fun, but it’s also the only new feature in this build. The bigger news is that Microsoft is now previewing the next wave of app updates which have been slightly redesigned to match the look and feel of Windows 11. These include:

Snipping Tool. The updated Snipping Tool will replace the classic Snipping Tool and Snip & Sketch apps. It “builds off” the classic Snipping Tool and adds new visuals that appear to be WinUI 3-based. And for the first time, Snipping Tool respects your Windows theme.

Calculator. This app was already a modern app in Windows 10, but the new version has been rewritten in C# and it also respects your Windows theme. Naturally, the buttons are all rounded rectangles now, too, because Windows 11.

Mail and Calendar. Anyone hoping for a truly reimagined set of Mail and Calendar apps will be disappointed by this tragedy: The Windows 10 apps have simply been pushed forward with a new visual style that better matches Windows 11 and … well, that’s it. Sad.

Ah well.

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71 responses to “New Windows 11 Build Arrives with App Updates”

  1. sherlockholmes

    The completely Windows 11 thing is sad.

  2. bettyblue

    Windows 11 will equate to more people, consumers mostly, giving up on Windows. They have a lots of options in 2021. Apple M series Mac resurgence is happening at the same time.

    This update has really boiled down to the failed Windows 10 X GUI be thrown on Windows 10 and calling it a new version. This GUI is an attempt to be Chrome OS...aka dumbed down.

    • drprw

      I understand that some tech enthusiasts don't like some or many of the Windows 11 changes but to say it will turn regular users off is a complete misunderstanding of regular users. Regular users do NOT care about the OS. They use what they have. If they have a Windows PC, that's what they use. If they are not already mac users, they will not switch unless someone they trusts tells them to. For the vast majority of people, the OS is a means to get on the internet and run a few apps. They really don't care what it looks like- only that it's simple to use. Again, that is the VAST majority of people. For those of us who read this site, it may be another story. But, for regular people not at all.

      • andrey_medvedev

        That may be true, but they care about usability. If you ADD usability - different ways you can work in Windows depending on user preference - then yes, users don't care about what things look like. But taking important features out of Windows? Users DO care, if you've used Windows one way for 20+ years and suddenly the taskbar, that is the most commonly used feature in Windows, loses virtually all customizability. If you used to be able to open 10 Microsoft Word documents, for example, and see every one of them on the taskbar with the document name, what you have now is a nightmare. I've only worked with Window 11 for a month and the number of times I've clicked on the wrong document is ridiculous. And they always disappear from view so you get to search for your document EVERY TIME you hover over the icon. Windows can look purple with yellow polka dots for all I can, but my productivity is down 20-25% just because of this and it's not a matter of getting used to it either.

    • zakand

      MS has really found the worst of both worlds here. Win11 is dumbed down to compete with Chrome OS, but it has none of Chrome's selling points and will not appeal to those users. Meanwhile, Win11 is so bad that power users will switch to Mac. A complete disaster.

      • jimchamplin

        I’m not going back to the Mac because of Windows 11. In fact, it will most likely keep me on Windows.

        I’ll either find workarounds for my older machines or just run Linux on them.

        Meh. No big deal. I’m not sinking $1000+ just because Microsoft changed a couple of things.

      • thewarragulman

        "Switching to the Mac" isn't as simple as it may sound, I've tried to go with the full Apple ecosystem myself and I ended up back at Windows, kind of annoys me when people just throw that phrase around when they see something in Windows they don't like.

        Switching to a Mac requires buying an entirely new computer, unless you Hackintosh which is not viable because:

        1. It's a pain in the ass to set up, I would know since I do it on a second partition. You need to know if your hardware is compatible, and if isn't then you're SOL. If you're on a laptop especially you're going to experience at least one thing that doesn't work, possibly more.
        2. You can't reliably update. Sure, you can get updates, but if you don't have the time or patience to update your bootloader or kexts each time you need to update then you're not going to bother thus being out of date and at risk of security. It's not as hard as it used to be but it isn't as easy as just clicking "install" on a real Mac.
        3. Now that Apple Silicon is here, x86 versions of macOS now have a limited shelf life, once that last version comes out which it eventually will that will be the end of Hackintoshing.

        Due to this, most people probably aren't willing to buy an entirely new computer just to switch to macOS, unless that PC is old and due to be upgraded and that upgrade is a Mac, a "Windows power user" will just deal with Windows 11, stick with Windows 10, and if they're real extreme about ditching it they'll go to Linux, which requires less know-how to get installed on a PC than Hackintoshing does. Besides, there's always been and always will be plenty of third party tools to change Windows to make it behave the way you want.

        • bettyblue

          People switch at the crucial moments.

          Example PC user that has had an iPhone and iPad for a while now needs to replace that old PC….makes the move to the Mac for various reasons. 99% of the time it’s a great experience, further enhancing their personal eco system.

      • jim_vernon

        So dramatic..."power users" aren't going anywhere. It's the power users who are doing the testing and giving feedback to Microsoft about Windows 11.

        • hrlngrv

          Certainly if power users use Windows in order to run Windows software which doesn't exist for macOS or Linux or for which the macOS or Linux versions have far fewer features than the Windows version (Excel at the top of that list, especially the abomination which is the Mac version of the VBA Editor). FWIW, if former Windows users buy Macs but also buy Parallels and a Windows license, does MSFT care they're using Macs?

          OTOH, MSFT listens to the feedback from power users? Since when?

  3. jdawgnoonan

    WIndows 11 is fine. The start menu is pretty, and I hope that they add functionality like grouping applications at some point. On the whole, other than settings, the right click menus, the task bar being centered, the icons, and the rounded UI, it really isn't very different from Windows 11. It kind of reminds me of when Apple throws a few new wallpapers together and advertises it like a real update.

  4. PhilipVasta

    Whenever I doubt my planned move to a Mac Mini, I come across something like this. For of their talk, Microsoft just doesn't actually care about giving users a truly high-quality experience. Maybe Mail and Calendar were a low priority before. Not that they should have been, but whatever. But with Windows 11, which is a long-overdue update to the fit and finish of the product, this would have been the perfect, obvious opportunity for them to introduce new apps. The inbox apps should be a showcase for the Windows experience. I seriously can't believe they just rounded some corners and called it a day.

    • omen_20

      To be honest, I'm surprised it how much of a difference that made along with the updated icons. Those screenshots look much more 2021 than I would have anticipated.

      The real sad thing here is that I still have to be signed into Calendar for my Outlook agenda to show up in the clock popout in Windows 10 or for the native notifications. We're talking five years and Outlook still doesn't have that native functionality.

  5. blue77star

    I think they are rushing through. Windows 11 should be released in October 2022 and by then keep working on it, replace event viewer and other stuff, remove control panel, give enough time for vendors to live without control panel, just keep working for whole another year to get it where it needs to be. It is not like Windows 10 won't be good enough until then.

    • andrey_medvedev

      I always wonder about stuff like this. Please explain to me on behalf of all the users dying to kill of the Control Panel how its availability is making your life on Windows worse? You prefer the Settings? Great! Use them! But why is the Control Panel not letting all of you people sleep at night? Why argue against user choice? You want only want Windows to work your way and no other? (I know it's not fair of me to ask you to answer me for everyone who wants to ger rid of the Control Panel, but I want to hear the logic behind it).

    • bettyblue

      To Microsoft they have spent a lot of time on this already. What we are seeing are the remains of Windows 10x which was in development for 2 years.

      This is not some huge update. It is just Windows 10 with the Windows 10x GUI. Basically new icing on the same old cake.

  6. jim_vernon

    I've been pretty happy with the mail and calendar apps. What would you like to see changed?

  7. Craig Hinners

    I don’t understand this viscous hate for Mail and Calendar. I use them daily for work and personal.

    I type some stuff in Mail, hit Send, and the message is delivered; I press Delete and the message moves to Trash. In Calendar, I accept an event, it appears in the calendar, and reminds me beforehand. Done. Easy.

    OK, maybe in Mail I can’t pick which of 100s of fonts and colors to use, and can’t sort, group, filter, focus, jiggle, juggle, jangle, transform, and Power BI my messages every which way to Sunday, but, seriously … stop making life hard. That’s what Outlook’s for.

    I suppose I’m to Mail as Mary Jo is to Notepad, but honestly, does anyone with a clue really use email that much anymore for anything other than spam, password resets, and invites, anyway?!

    The one nit I can pick with them is fit and finish. For example, in Calendar, you type “1700” in a time field, and it chokes, whereas Outlook knows you mean “17:00”. Yeah, super lame, but I’ll take those minor inconveniences over bloat and anxiety inducing UIs/UXs any day.

    • ruivo

      Well, I can cite a few:

      • Refusing to deliver some random email just because
      • Refuses to open attached images in the original resolution for some reason
      • Freezes randomly when I try to copy/paste
      • Loses drafted messages when it feels like it
      • Mess up Zoom links for some reason (won't allow me to copy it, won't allow me to click it...)

      The list goes on. I still use it sometimes because I hate webmail more, but I really wish Microsoft would actually finish building the damn thing! As it is now, feels like an abandoned beta program.

  8. robinwilson16

    Does anyone know when the new Teams app will support work accounts as it will still only log into my personal account and attempts to switch to the work account just opens the old teams application.

  9. andrezzz91

    Just some feedback - I originally had the Snipping Tool and the Snip & Sketch app from the MS Store, after this cumulative update the Snipping Tool interface did not change so uninstalled Snip & Sketch and that removed Snipping Tool as well. I went to the MS Store to look for Snipping Tool but it is not there, I still see Snip & Sketch, downloaded and that's the new Snipping Tool, they might want to rename it on the Store.

  10. madthinus

    Have a feeling they have a bigger refresh and rework of mail and calendar tied to One Outlook, so for now they do the minimum.

  11. andrey_medvedev

    Microsoft is so tone-deaf. "Connect with Family and Friends"...using Microsoft Teams. Why not just say "Connect with Family and Friends using this Corporate Communications Tool?

  12. brettscoast

    While any improvement is welcome the lack of a complete overhaul of the truly awful mail app\client is disappointing to say the least. Looks like its going to be outlook or bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  13. IanYates82

    Is calculator still open source? It'd be interesting to see the conversion from C++ to C#

  14. Maverick010

    I can see they are mainly working on bugs and small cosmetic changes at this point for consistently. I am still holding out that bigger updates may be coming for Mail and Calendar. Cosmetic was most likely a quick update, but there was news Microsoft was preparing to merge all their outlook apps to use same codebase I believe and I am wondering if that is when we will get a bigger change. Right now I am enjoying these ever stable releases. Windows 11 is getting nicer as we get close the finish line.

  15. jim.mcintosh

    Updated this morning. This afternoon I lost OneDrive on both accounts on the machine. OneDrive is still "up there" but the app is not on the machine. Tried to reinstall the app and start it - nada. Fixin to install Windows 10. I'll miss those pretty rounded corners on the Mail, Calendar and Snip...

  16. rossdelliott

    It's nice that the Snipping Tool says it's being killed off like the current Windows 10 version does.

  17. christophercollins

    I really don't get all this hate to Windows 11 in comments. It took me a day, maybe, to get used to the changes.

    I've even tested our custom programs at work against it and the all run fine.

    I did move start back to the left.

    They made this modern, like other OS's. It looks more familiar if you work in a cross platform environment.

    All the start menu hate too. Since Windows 7, I hit start & type what I want. Still works here.

    • John Craig

      It doesn't really matter what they do, there will always be a crowd who go "Oh no, look they changed the taskbar and now it doesn't look anything like Windows 95 and now my muscle memory will be challenged beyond its capabilities, and they've broken everything the bastards!!"

      Microsoft will forever be caught between decades of legacy use, and the need to keep the platform modern.

      Frankly, Windows 11 is a great refresh. In this highly mobile, light-use, touch-first world, the OS is absolutely moving in the right direction.

      Microsoft have home runs with W10 and W11.

      In fact, this might be the first time in its history that Microsoft have brough out two excellent versions of windows, back-to-back.

      • proftheory

        They are the WMMC crowd.

        Who Moved My Cheese

      • nazmuslabs

        Removing the ability to move the taskbar to the top (or the sides) is not excusable. You don’t get to play the win95 card on a crucial, mainstream, feature being removed. This is akin to removing the start menu. Even many non-power users choose to change the position of the taskbar.

        Also, to take away the ability to use small taskbar is also inexcusable. And worse, small taskbars are useful for the visually impaired like me, who use a higher display scaling, making the normal taskbar size take up a huge portion of vertical space. So removal of this is a criminal offense for users of accessibility needs.

        So, please don’t pretend it’s only supetficial things when major featurs are being taken away. You just don’t get to do that: not in this case. If it was just rounded corners, and minor UI being shifted around or ancient or barely used features being removed, I would agree with you and you’d have a valid point. But Win11 isn’t just making superficial changes. So you don’t get to defend MS’s PR nightmare.

        P.s., and I didn’t even begin to mention the CPU and TPM issues.

      • andrey_medvedev

        "Keep the platform modern"? But what gods of design have decided that a less capable taskbar is "modern"? Incidentally, this way of doing things was introduced in Windows 7, so it's not "modern" by that definition, unless "modern" means "different". But what's the point in difference for the sake of difference? I am always perplexed by people who ardently argue against user choice. If I had a penny every time someone has written "This is the future, get used to it" since the advent of Window 8.

      • SIAShotgun

        Try using 11 on a laptop with a dock and multi-monitors and docking/undocking a few times; world of difference from Win10. Worth the upgrade for those improvements alone in my view.

      • navarac

        Might be in the right direction for you. It's all subjective, unfortunately. By the time W10 is out of support, I'll consider whatever is "then", but mainly will stick to Linux. I'll be nearly 80 by then (maybe!) - I cannot be bothered with MSFT anymore to be truthful.

      • dmitryko

        There will always be cheerleaders who praise anything visually "refreshed" and dumbed-down for one-finger gestures.

        As for Windows 11 aka 10.1X, rounded corners is indeed the most laughable UI feature in a desktop Windows OS, after the whole awful black&white "modern" touch-based UI.

      • scoop

        Well, extra-base hits anyway....But agreed there is no way for MSFT to please every consumer, let alone business and enterprise user.

        I get the touch, mobile, cloud mantra and why that has been their focus for a long time now. But it would make more sense if they had a presence in smartphones and a bigger presence in tablets. I use Android on my smartphone and Fire 8. My Windows devices are non-touch laptops and desktops. I am not a Luddite and I could afford a touchscreen monitor or laptop if I wanted one badly enough.

        But Windows is a mouse and keyboard or trackpad and trackpoint experience. For me and a bazillion others. I hope MSFT does not forget that, as inconvenient as it might be for their current plans.

        For now, I am running the Win 11 beta on the one PC I own that will run it. Jury still out. Great potential, especially if the Android apps thing works out. We shall see.

    • navarac

      Using the recently released Start 11 beta from Stardock has alleviated a lot of my pain, to be fair.

    • hrlngrv

      The Windows 11 Start menu is NBD. OTOH, the Windows 11 taskbar is a POS.

    • hrlngrv

      | I've even tested our custom programs at work against it and the all run fine.

      Did you really believe that might not have been the case?

      When was the last time you came across any application which worked in Windows version X but didn't in Windows version X+1?

    • nazmuslabs

      Removal of taskbar position and size options. CPU and TPM upgraded nightmare. And you don’t “get the hate”. Please tell me you are not being serious right now.

  18. LT1 Z51

    Windows 10.1, I mean 11. This is like Windows 8.1 all over again, but maybe even worse.

    • behindmyscreen

      Literally nothing from the Windows product line is worse than windows 8/8.1.....nothing.

      • hrlngrv

        Windows 8.1 (after the Start button was added back) with a 3rd party Start menu was better than Windows 7 under the hood and effectively the same as Windows 7 in UI other than the loss of Aero (which I considered a benefit, FWLIW). Don't recall whether it was 8.1 or 8.1 Update 1 which added the option to open the All Apps view by clicking the Start button/pressing [Win], but that option distinguished that version from 8.0, which did indeed suck.

      • jimchamplin

        Windows NT 3.1.

        Literally refuses to run if your CPU is newer than a 486DX/33.

  19. johnlavey

    I'm still trying to figure out why WIDGETS keeps popping up even though I removed it using the Settings parameters AND the registry. It's frustrating because it keeps popping up and annoying me every time I move to the left side of any window. Also, I never use the Microsoft Calendar. I use One Calendar. It's reliable, functional, and very inexpensive.

    • nazmuslabs

      Weird. I never use the widgets, but it doesn’t appear automatically for me on hover. I have to explicitly click the widgets button on the Taskbar, which I eventually decided to remove from my taskbar. Now I don’t know how to open the widgets panel even if I want to (i.e. no kb shortcuts).

    • nazmuslabs

      Never heard of One Calendar. Will give it a try, Insha’Allah (God Willing). I do use and love a photo viewer called “One Photo Viewer”. I wonder if the naming is just coincidence.

  20. scoop

    For the record, the previous build (124?) also hit both Dev and Beta at the same time. I think that will be SOP from here on in.

    • CaymanDreamin

      While the build number is the same, you have to be in the dev channel to get the new apps. Snipping tool is version 11.2108.0.0, Calculator is version 10.2109.7.0 and Mail is version 16005.14326.20090.0.

  21. bart

    "Unfortunately, they appear to be mostly cosmetic and not the completely reimagined Mail and Calendar apps, in particular, that we’ve needed for years."

    We already knew, but this is another confirmation, no new Outlook with the Windows 11 launch.

  22. Jim Lewis

    BTW, the one thing about updating to Win11 that almost made me rollback immediately was after the update to the BETA version I had NO Wi-Fi in settings whatsoever. My computer uses Dell's version of Rivet Networks Killer Wi-fi (now acquired by Intel). It turned out just by going to Device Manager, "updating" the driver, and, not knowing any better, choosing the Microsoft version of the Killer Wireless Wi-Fi driver solved my problems. Microsoft's Win11 Wi-Fi troubleshooter was clueless at fixing the problem.... What a way to start Win11 with the latest BETA as of early AM today.

  23. Jim Lewis

    Was waiting for the Android app thingie but decided to give the BETA channel version a try. So now I'm in.

    Agree with previous poster that there is a lot of knee-jerk criticism about how awful Windows 11 is and how anything that resembles even vaguely the Win8 Start Menu is a travesty. I think individual opinions that Win11 doesn't work the way you want it to and you want more adjustability are fine. But such comments totally ignore that not everyone else likes to work the way you do. I actually liked a Win10 Start Screen with Tiles that I could distribute across a 27-inch monitor and arrange the way I wanted to organize my apps. I find the teeny "Start" menu in Win11 with Microsoft suggestions snuck into "Pinned" apps a big step down. But other than that, I find Win11 a LOT snappier overall on my Dell XPS 8930 SE with an i9-9900K overclocked to 4.7 GHz - and this is even just running in "Power-Saving" mode, let alone the full-out High Performance mode. I have an incredible multitude of apps going back decades, including a special edition of NetManage Ecco Pro v4.01 from the 1990's and everything that I've tested so far still works great (and snappier) in Win11, carrying on from Windows 10. Am looking forward to being a buyer of Paul's Windows 11 Field Guide. Yes, there is some getting used to but it's hardly the end of the world for grown-ups.

    • andrey_medvedev

      How did you get Ecco Pro to work on Windows 10?

      • Jim Lewis

        BTW, for you young 'uns, Ecco Pro was supposedly at least in part the program that inspired Microsoft to create Outlook, at least that's what dyed-in-the-wool Ecco users believed back in the '90's and Outlook, because it was "free" with Office was ultimately the program that probably killed Ecco. Zvi Alon's problem with Ecco, by his own telling, I think, was that users wanted $200 worth of support for a $50 program (and they didn't want to pay more vs. the "free" Outlook).

      • Jim Lewis

        The problem is that NetManage's original version of Ecco Pro v4.01 has a 16-bit installer even though it's a 32-bit Win32 program. Back around 2009, someone created a 32-bit installer. The site that I got it from was called ThoughtsOnThinking but it's disappeared. If you search on Ecco Pro 32-bit installer, you can find lots of hits but I'll let you decide which if any to trust. I use Ecco for anything that has pretty dependable recurring ToDo's that I want to check off a list, e.g. bill-paying, preparing to go on a vacation, etc., where I can just clone my previous version of the list and I want to create fields (columns) to go with subject text of the ToDo, e.g., date bill paid and whether I've downloaded the PDF version of the bill, say from my electric utility website, etc. I'm enough of an Ecco fanatic that I once wrote a letter to Bill Gates as CEO pleading with him to not do anything with Windows in the future that would kill the ability of Ecco to run - I guess with the 16-bit installer thing it didn't quite work out! But cool that Zvi Alon released Ecco as freeware! More power to a much maligned guy (now deceased).

    • jwpear

      Hear, hear! I don't get all the complaints.

      Start in the middle is the right move that will help make Windows more approachable and useable for users coming to Windows for the first time or that bounce between OSes.

      I've been a full screen start user since Windows 8. I want to take full advantage of the screen space. I also like glanceable live tiles. I thought they were a nice balance between nothing at all and the very disruptive notifications that pop up (which I turn off). But I'll adapt to the changes and it'll be nice to see a fresh looking UI.

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