Why you can’t upgrade your 7th gen Intel CPU for Win11

From Intel.com:

Compatibility concerns for Intel® Core™ i7 Desktop Processors that use the LGA1151 socket

Intel® Core™ i7-87xx Desktop Processors use a chipset based on the Intel® 300 Series Chipset Boards. Intel® Core™ i7-67xx and i7-77xx Desktop Processors use a chipset based on the Intel® 100 and 200 Series Chipset Boards. The i7-87xx processors are NOT compatible with Intel® 100 and 200 Series Chipset Boards.

Conversation 17 comments

  • madthinus

    Premium Member
    22 September, 2021 - 4:31 am

    <p>Because they are considered old and the arbitrary line in the sand for Windows 11 is 8th gen. Looking inside our business, we are replacing 4th, 5th and 6th gen generation devices as they are end of life. </p>

    • navarac

      22 September, 2021 - 9:27 am

      <p>I wouldn’t consider 7th gen as all that old, especially in these "e-waste aware" times. Maybe by the time W10 is EOL, but not in 2021. I consider this arbitrary line in the sand for W11 specs as tantamount to a scam to get people to buy new. Disgraceful as far as I’m concerned, sorry, and I won’t be falling for it. W10 will be last Windows ever for me, and the only on a Gaming Rig.</p>

      • Jonin

        22 September, 2021 - 12:29 pm

        <p>See you next Windows update.</p>

      • lwetzel

        Premium Member
        22 September, 2021 - 1:21 pm

        <p>Think we get it now.</p>

  • jchampeau

    Premium Member
    22 September, 2021 - 9:51 am

    <p>What does any of that have to do with Windows 11? If there were some kind of hardware limitation, Windows Insiders wouldn’t have been testing it for the last few months on 7th-gen and older PCs.</p>

    • navarac

      22 September, 2021 - 9:59 am


    • lvthunder

      Premium Member
      22 September, 2021 - 1:09 pm

      <p>The limitation is Microsoft doesn’t want to support 7th gen chips in 2030 when Windows 11 gets close to end of life.</p>

      • asdfasedasdfasdf

        22 September, 2021 - 1:32 pm

        <p>And that’s totally understandable. But with the long hardware lifespans nowadays, I think they better could have handled it. I have 3 PCs in my household, and it’s just by sheer fluke (CPU started causing a PC to lock up and would fail Intel’s processor diagnostics) that I have even one that will run Windows 11, and that’s one I bought to replace that bad one.</p><p><br></p><p>I have a Lynnfield (2nd-gen) and Broadwell-E (5th gen). I have no complaints with leaving the Lynnfield behind, because I imagine the hardware will fail before 2024, so no biggie. The 5th-gen machine is in reality every bit as good as my new 10th-gen version. It’s just missing some stuff like TPM and maybe some CPU features.</p><p><br></p><p>What I would prefer to have seen MS say: You can run Windows 11 even if you don’t meet the specs, but know that at some point we may use CPU or TPM features that will require this newer hardware, and at that point you’ll be left behind. But, like Windows 10, we’ll make sure that release is an LTSC version that gets security patches until Windows 11 is EOL.</p><p><br></p><p>It seems like they’re irking the enthusiast crowd. Maybe they don’t care, but it’s the enthusiasts who carry outsized influence.</p><p><br></p><p><br></p>

        • Greg Green

          23 September, 2021 - 10:18 am

          <p>That second to last paragraph is what MS should’ve done, saying you can run it, just not with all the security features.</p>

  • polloloco51

    22 September, 2021 - 1:27 pm

    <p>I installed Windows 11 on a 2017 Lenovo Thinkpad T470 with an i5-7300u, a few weeks ago. It worked perfectly fine, with a few UI bugs.</p><p><br></p><p>The processor requirements are arbitrary at best! There is no reason, why Windows 11 can’t run on only year old processor. Other than Microsoft desperately wants to jump start PC sales, by randomly shutting out millions of PCs.</p><p><br></p><p>It is really inexcusable to EOL such relatively new PCs this. A 2017 laptop, will pretty much be sent to the landfill before a 10 year period. </p><p><br></p><p>Lots of people do in fact keep PCs for a long time. Especially where money is sparse or not disposable.</p><p><br></p><p>If Windows 10 shares the same code base as 11. Windows 10 can run decently on even 2008 Vista era Core 2 Duo processors. What is the real reason, Microsoft is doing this.</p><p><br></p><p>Other than they slashed a huge amount of legacy code in Windows. It makes it not possible to run on certain processors that have legacy components?</p><p><br></p><p>Windows 11 is going to flop terribly, if Microsoft doesn’t fix or fully explain the requirements!</p><p><br></p>

    • lvthunder

      Premium Member
      22 September, 2021 - 5:40 pm

      <p>So you think that laptop should be supported by Microsoft when it is 14 years old. Just because you can’t run the latest and greatest OS doesn’t make it EOL. Windows 10 will run just fine until 2025 at which point that laptop will be 8 years old. By then the battery will start to fail.</p>

      • polloloco51

        22 September, 2021 - 5:52 pm

        <p>That’s true….</p><p>I have a old 2009 Dell Studio with a Core 2 Duo (unused), that’s been upgraded from Vista, to 7, to 8.1 then to Windows 10.</p><p><br></p><p>Also an old Vista era Gateway tower (unused, currently) with a Q6600, running Windows 10 too. </p><p><br></p><p>Microsoft is basically supporting almost 15 year old PCs with updates.</p><p><br></p><p>Windows 11 is the first version of Windows, that artificially shuts out, such new computers, for no valid reason. Other than security and system crashes. Also the Spectre meltdown issues. </p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>

      • spacein_vader

        Premium Member
        23 September, 2021 - 2:22 am

        <p>Even then it won’t be EOL. Several Linux distros and BSD will almost certainly support it if you’re truly determined to keep using it. Alternatively keep running 10 or even 7 on it but keep it air gapped from the Internet and use it for retrogaming or word processing. </p>

  • dexman335

    22 September, 2021 - 2:48 pm

    <p>Saddened to find out that my Surface Laptop 1 will not be able to move forward to Windows 11. Plan on keeping it going as long as possible before looking to replace it with whatever the current iteration of the SL is at that time. ?</p>

  • turbocycle

    24 September, 2021 - 6:03 pm

    <p>I have a high performance gaming laptop with a I7-7820HK, and I have no plans to replace anytime soon. However, Microsoft whitelisted the 7820HQ. Is it a coincidence that the 7820HQ is the CPU in Microsoft’s own Surface Studio 2? hmmm…</p><p><br></p><p>To be fair, the I7-7820HQ has Intel® Trusted Execution Technology, but not the i7-7820HK – that’s probably the real reason.</p><p><br></p><p>So Close, Yet So Far Away :(</p><p><br></p>

  • Computermensch

    27 September, 2021 - 9:32 pm

    <p><br></p><p><strong>Lets see what happens. This was merely a talk about those older machines at home beyond 2 years which Microsoft will now not let run and a very old operating system like Windows New Technology from 90’ties will all respect to Jim.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>As it makers the end of support for older PCs this will also mark the end of support for very old operating systems like Windows NT (OS/2) – and pave the way for user adoption of completely new operating systems. Let the games begin of new operating systems. Finally :)</strong></p><p><br></p><p>Bill Gates out the board. Steve B not there. Many engineers left for Google. Around 2012, among through MS Partner Network, more power to engineers instead of too many product managers and business folks. </p><p><br></p><p>So seems like the business people are coming back to interfer. Business development – a hardware and software company. However, I stopped buying Microsoft hardware – beyond a mouse or a keyboard – after 5-7 lumia phones and suddenly end-of-life to Windows Phone. Propelled by end of life to Kinect. Around 2001, Google passed Microsoft late with Googles cloud platform. Meanwhile Microsoft had Hailstorm, then My Services – and shut it down, explaination to R&amp;D in i.e. IBM and others, we dont know what the business model should be like? Picked up again with WIndows Live shortly after though.</p><p><br></p><p>When first Surfaces machs came out – before engineers was running decisions in MS again, Surface Pro came out as an Enterprise offer by Product Management with a 100 mb/s LAN port. HAH HAH HAH. No real sales. </p><p><br></p><p>I participated heavily in testing WIndows Client from Vista, ie switch of Taskbar in WIndows 7, and Quick Access in Windows 10 (during testing of Win8 – among things came out of a comparison of ui between Finder and Explorer. Ie. the ability to use concepts in the UI).</p><p><br></p><p>I must say Windows 11 seems ok in terms of the UI. They tried to keep the navigation down to one click i.e. the previous search in the taskbar and focusing on touch support.</p><p><br></p><p>The CPU stuff does not make sense though. The feature since Haswell is not that different for each generation. More performance improovements. There are E-chips as well with higher bandwidth. Windows 11 still supports Atom and Celeron – that without feature improovements are inferior to older CPUS. </p><p><br></p><p>Beyond consumer market, cheap machines or expensive if about looks, the workstation market is higher investing. Machine start – if oem or self-build from 3500 USD. My last build from 2018 was an ongoing build around 10000 USD.</p><p>So longer lifespan. Used for flightsim. A build in 2007 around 3000 USD was used for testing flight sims in aviation industry around 2010-2011. The cheapest matching machine from IBM was 10000 USD or three times the price.</p><p><br></p><p>Microsoft is mostly business computing. Guess they are focusing on mass comsuption in Enterprise market. So speciel mostly rendering systems and high performance game equipment with a shortened lifespan down to – 2-3 years, while need some aggressive marketing and price drops. Else Linux will prevail for those machines. An offer of Prepar3D on Linux or Microsoft Flight Simulator would be great. Dont want to spend 10000 USD / 24 months = approx 400 USD a month to have proper equipment.</p><p><br></p><p>So it will expand the market for leasing high performance machines because to the quick value decrease. Nobody wants to bear that risks. So many machines will not be sellable if you have to through it out. Or heacy buy back solutions.</p><p><br></p><p>New business models will come from this. I already for Windows made the decision to stop buying machine. For some applications 400 USD a month, rent is much cheaper alternative. With 5G and fiber plus heavy cpu routing a online workstation may be better.</p><p><br></p><p>So getting close to a game changer here. I already stopped trust MS on hw since Windows Mobile, Kinect etc. This just adds to its volatile decision making. </p><p><br></p><p>Win11 as far goes. Else Linux. Including video editing. The UI in Windows is not fantastic anyway. The neglected to develop one of its most important features for years, the file system, ie crc, queing, datalifecycle managemtn, oo (aim already around Vista), much more. No more lead. Lack of APIs to improove stuff. Possible in Linux.</p><p><br></p><p>High performance workstations – while depens on app developers. When Apple bought German Emagic to force Logic users onto Apples MacOS platform. Now Ableton Live is dominating. However, the average poor musicans is not going to buy a highend workstation every 2-3 year. They already said bye to Apple then. So there will be a request for Linux</p><p><br></p><p>This will make Linux enter the pro market. High investment management. It will happen, but may be would have happened anyway. I.e. WIndows (New Technology) is old – 90’ties. 30 years. Not an operating system of the future. Nor is Linux.</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Lets see what happens. This was merely a talk about those older machines at home beyond 2 years which Microsoft will now not let run and a very old operating system like Windows New Technology from 90’ties will all respect to Jim.</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>As it makers the end of support for older PCs this will also mark the end of support for very old operating systems like Windows NT (OS/2) – and pave the way for user adoption of completely new operating systems. Let the games begin of new operating systems. Finally :)</strong></p><p><br></p><p><strong>Then golden age is at hand, the best is yet to come.</strong></p><p><strong>Enjoy, Computermensch</strong></p>


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